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QUOTE(Leonard Zelig @ Jul 29, 2006 -> 09:56 PM) I think I read on here last year that you can add .90 to an NL pitchers ERA to adjust it for AL. I'm not sure how accurate that is though. Using that formula, Vazquez's three best seasons would translate to AL eras of: 4.32, 4.81 and 4.14. I determine that Javier Vazquez's history in no way suggests he will become a dominant, ace pitcher like Jose Contreras.

QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Jul 29, 2006 -> 09:34 PM) In Cuba. The MLB is a whole different ballgame. This is Contreras from 2004 and the 1st half of 2005; 2004 (NYY) - 8-5, 5.64 ERA, 82K's, 42BB's. 2004 (CHW) - 5-4, 5.30 ERA, 68K's, 42BB's. 2005 (1st half CHW) - 4-5, 4.26 ERA, 72K's, 48BB's. And Vazquez put up 3 sub 4ERA's for the Expos from 2001 to 2003. Ever since he left them, he hasn't been the same. But he's got the potential to that get back to those type of numbers, if he uses his stuff better and makes the right decisions on the mound. I'm not sure what the accepted rule of thumb for adjusting NL stats to AL numbers, but that's something that needs to be converted before calling his sub-4 NL eras "dominant." His three NL seasons of sub-4 eras are: 3.42, 3.91 and 3.24. In Contreras's final year pitching in Cuba, he had an era of 1.76 I conclude Contreras was a better pitcher than Vazquez before his breakout 2005 season, and therefore comparisons to Contreras are baseless.

QUOTE(Jake @ Jul 29, 2006 -> 09:34 PM) I don't know how SoxTalk feels about this, but no matter what I'm glad we didn't keep Frank, we just don't have a place for him on this team. No Sox fan who wants to win is upset we didn't keep Frank.

QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Jul 29, 2006 -> 07:31 AM) I just see a lot of comparisons b/w Javy and Jose Contreras when he first arrived on the Southside. Javy's just gotta learn not to use than DAMN curveball so much (because when he hangs it, you can say buh - bye), and to start trusting his better stuff like his changeball. And that was always the problem with Jose, getting him to trust his fastball, and not use his forkball so often early in the count, so he'd then fall behind hitters. But if Javy doesn't turn it around, we're gonna regret that trade, because of one Chris Young. Contreras had a history of dominating before coming to the White Sox that Vazquez never had.

QUOTE(Jake @ Jul 27, 2006 -> 01:59 AM) Well Vazquez is one hell of a five inning pitcher, if only he would just be done after his five shutout innings. And after 2-3 starts stretching out his arm, McCarthy would likely be the better option in the final two months of the regular season and certainly in the playoffs. I do not want Vazquez starting for us in the playoffs. With runners on base, he's the antithesis of El Duque.

QUOTE(kevo880 @ Jul 27, 2006 -> 12:09 AM) he was never in the bullpen last year so he could handle a start long enough to be effective. If he were to spot startnow he'd be good till he got tired then get shelled. whats the point in that? Since the man BMac would most likely be replacing in the rotation, Javier Vazquez, is a five-inning pitcher, BMac wouldn't have to be stretched out much to be a better option.

QUOTE(Harry&JimmyRocked @ Jul 26, 2006 -> 11:49 PM) PITCHING=sucks HITTING=wasn't gonna keep up first half numbers DEFENSE=pablo and mack? HEART=NONE LEFT Hence the reason why the Sox need to "turn things around."

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Jul 26, 2006 -> 11:11 PM) So what happens the next time Mark Buehrle gives up 8 runs in the first inning and has to be pulled? In your worst case scenario of a starter only lasting one inning, the Sox concede one game. I think there would be more than a one-win difference between Vazquez's and McCarthy's starts over the final two months of the season.

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Jul 26, 2006 -> 11:06 PM) Brandon should not "Spot start". Spot starting would hurt whatever rhythm he has developed in the bullpen, it would hurt the bullpen because it would take him a few starts to be able to go beyond 4-5 innings, and it could hurt by throwing off any rhythm that any other starting pitchers might find. If Brandon goes into the rotation, he DOES NOT leave it. Wouldn't piggy backing Vazquez on McCarthy's first 2-3 starts be a good solution to this problem?

Don't wanna wait till tomorrow Why put it off another day? Turn this thing around RIGHT NOW Hey, it's your tomorrow Right Now, come on, it's everything Get your magic moment Do it right here and now IT MEANS EVERTHING The more things you get the more you want http://youtube.com/watch?v=jHbdUnd7Nzw&amp...w%20van%20halen

This thread has died faster than the second-half Sox. Sorry to the Tiger fans who were expecting a competitive, exciting race to the finish. Perhaps the Twins will make things interesting for you because an Ozzie Guillen-managed Sox team sure won't.

QUOTE(WhiteSoxfan1986 @ Jul 26, 2006 -> 10:33 PM) No McCarthy should not get some spot starts, he should be in the rotation permanently. I'm picking up what you're throwing down.

QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Jul 26, 2006 -> 04:50 PM) How does everyone conclude McCarthy can only go a couple of innings? Didn't he make over 80 pitches in his one start? It wouldn't be long before he got that up to 100. I'd actually love to see Vazquez pulled after 80. Its like after midnight with him. Nothing good happens to Javier Vazquez after 80 pitches. Right, even if McCarthy could only go 4-6 innings in his first 2-3 starts, Ozzie could set up Vazquez to piggy back him. Ozzie is definately putting his personal relationship with his latin golfing buddy and latin relative before the good of the team. Horrible managing. Let's hire Tom Kelly. QUOTE(JimH @ Jul 26, 2006 -> 05:02 PM) He's playing favorites with his Latin buddies? The conspiracy theories on this site are getting more and more humorous. I'd like to ask, why is everyone so rock solid certain that Brandon would automatically be lights out as a starter, seeing as he's only been moderately successful in his bullpen role? And not the usual stock answer "well he's better than we have now", I would like to know how people on SoxTalk are able to ascertain with absolute certainty that he'd be better than what's in the rotation now. And no I am not happy with their current results, not one bit. Why is McCarthy the savior though? Sounds like the backup QB syndrome to me. As for what you're so sick of hearing, well, that's the way it goes. There are lots of things I'm sick of hearing too. No one can say for certain that Brandon McCarthy would be a better starting pitcher than Garcia or Vazquez this season, but it is certainly reasonable to give him a chance. You can't deny McCarthy's performance in the starting role down the stretch last season, and with the way declining play of the Sox, it'd be wise to give him a chance.

QUOTE(ViperPilot @ Jul 19, 2006 -> 08:16 PM) Oh wait....bagging on Detroit.....that's original.......nice job.... Actually it was quite witty. See, the poster was calling Detroit s***ty, because it's a f***ing s***hole.

QUOTE(Misplaced_Sox @ Jul 19, 2006 -> 08:15 PM) Sorry i thought Javy pitched great.... you guys can get all shorts in a bunch over some seeing eye hits and bad defense.... I really dont care... I dunno why AJ didnt call an inside FB... but whatever WHAT ABOUT HIS HORRIBLE PITCH THAT ALLOWED THE HOME RUN? NOT HIS FAULT? What do you say to Javy's pitching ability that when he was pressured, he was beaten? You obviously have a biased vision of Javier Vazquez.

QUOTE(Gregory Pratt @ Jul 19, 2006 -> 07:55 PM) Part of it has to do with Pierzynski calling for the wrong pitches at the wrong time. Your boy craps his Kip Wells training pants giving up a lead-changing grand slam, and you deflect blame to the man calling the pitch. You have a point though, but you still have to admit your belief that Javy Vazquez is good is complete balderdash.

Hey guys, haven't seen a pitch from the game? How did Vazquez pitch tonight?

QUOTE(YASNY @ Jul 18, 2006 -> 05:18 AM) I'll make a bet with you. If Detroit wins the series, you suspend shoota for 10 days. If the Sox do, I'll suspend him. Deal? just kidding shoota So like the Tigers against the White Sox, I can't win.

The "Put up or shut up" series.

Detroit will soon fade Where's the unemployment line We build crappy cars

Pods is my hero Steals like a Detroit felon Goes home to Dergan

QUOTE(BigSqwert @ Jul 17, 2006 -> 02:39 PM) The scary thing about Zambrano is that you never know when his arm will fall off. I think Dusty leaves him out there for an average of 164 pitches per game. Good point, Dusty has overused him for years, yet I'd happily take the risk that Z and McCarthy could outpitch Garcia and Vazquez. QUOTE(iamshack @ Jul 17, 2006 -> 02:39 PM) I just don't think the Cubs would ever deal us one of their star players (or even fallen stars such as Prior) simply because of the manner in which it would upset their fans. True, but I'd like to see KW try. Honestly, it would kind of taint our 2006 World Championship having to benefit from the performances of 3 former Cubs' players.

As KW said, the Sox don't need mediocre pitching help, they need dominance. Zambrano is dominant. I'd feel quite comfortable going into the playoffs with Contreras, Buehrle and Zambrano as my top three pitchers. Trading Garcia and Vazquez and only getting one SP in return opens a rotation spot for McCarthy. This makes sense for the Cubs since it improves on their lack of starting pitching depth, and could form a nice 2007 rotation with Prior, Marshall and a FA/rookie filling out their starting five. The Cubs have Aramis signed through 2007 I believe, but he does have a choice to opt out of his contract and become a FA. Josh Fields would provide security in the case Aramis walks. Why not turn this into an even bigger trade by acquiring Blanco and Williamson from the Cubs? If the Sox were to get Z, Blanco and Williamson, we'd overtake the AL Central in terrorizing fashion. Contreras Buehrle Zambrano Garland McCarthy Tracey/Hermanson Riske Cotts Williamson Thornton Jenks

QUOTE(Bonderman38 @ Jul 16, 2006 -> 11:19 PM) What would the bet be? Loser avoids posting on Soxtalk for 2 weeks. Since it's a 3-game series, I say the bet should be on which team takes the series.

QUOTE(daa84 @ Jul 16, 2006 -> 04:40 PM) does it matter....its not like july 16 is something to be happy about...we are 91 games into the season...and thats the point, not that its almost august I'd say you're putting too much weight on Anderson's April and May performance. Sure his overall batting average is a very poor .200, but that doesn't mean he will hit at a .200 clip over the rest of the season. If BA hits anywhere near his .292 average over the last month, it would be extremely foolish for Ozzie not to play him nearly every day. The fact that he's a rookie who struggled early and is now hitting well, shows me that he has improved quickly and is maturing into the solid player he was expected to become. Frankly, I'm surprised it has come this soon.