Dick Allen

Where's Joey Cora?

When is Hawk going to mention how far Inge can hit a golfball?

This.team.is.dead fire Greg Walker Konerko needs to be released I wish Cincinatti would reconsider Bailey for Dye I'm sorry AJ has to go

QUOTE (RockRaines @ May 7, 2009 -> 04:58 PM) Hitting HR's doesnt mean you did PED's. I dont understand why people associate that with a possible juicer. PED's will allow the body to heal or repair its fibers more easily and quickly. SOME use this for gains in brute strength, SOME can use it just for recovery. Longevity at a very flat performance level says juicer to me just as much as one peak season. Guys playing into their 40's arent really that rare and i know lots of folks that are very athletic to that age, but the sheer numbers of guys that have the same performance from age 26-46 is a red flag to me. Hence my pitchers comment earlier in the thread. A LOT of pitchers have used PEDs and all except a couple just skate by. Eric Gagne is a guy whose save records should have the same asterisks any of Bonds' records do.

I wonder if he used "literally" correctly.

QUOTE (G&T @ May 7, 2009 -> 11:08 AM) An LA sportswriter had a great comment. Manny is going to be pouty and mad when he comes back because he won't get his big pay day next year. He won't be happy Manny anymore and probably won't help them much. Or he'll be off the juice and unable to play at the level he is accustomed. Anyway, Manny made his bed and gets to sleep in it. Buster Olney has a nice article up at espn.com basically calling for zero tolerance. Positive drug test-you're gone.............forever.

QUOTE (G&T @ May 7, 2009 -> 10:58 AM) Gammons has back tracked on his comments from earlier. He won't take a position on it now. I think someone should yank his chain and say the Red Sox should have to forfeit their WS wins, although I'm quite sure Mr. Gammons wouldn't survive.

QUOTE (JPN366 @ May 7, 2009 -> 10:47 AM) In the RF corner, it's a joke. 302 feet down the line. But it goes out very quickly. There are very few home runs right down the line.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ May 7, 2009 -> 10:42 AM) Well, we know Alexei and Lillibridge won't be implicated!!! If they are, they are entitled to a refund.

QUOTE (JPN366 @ May 7, 2009 -> 10:41 AM) Well, to be fair, Fenway is a joke of a stadium. A flyball there is a homerun. But, I do think it's weird that there has never been speculation about Red Sox players as much as others. Before the Mitchell Report, nobody ever questioned whether or not Ortiz and Ramirez had ever juiced. But, I always saw unfounded speculation about people like Ryan Howard and A-Rod (before this year) as well as others. I know the Red Sox are the media darlings, but it's irresponsible to turn a blind eye to them and hang the rest. This is just like the Patriots thing, they're proven cheaters, but everybody in the media defends them. I had respect for Gammons up until I read that. Of course, ESPN has basically turned into NESN over the last 5 years. Not to RF.

QUOTE (Kalapse @ May 7, 2009 -> 10:26 AM) Shocking. Even after all the information comes out and it's f***ing obvious exactly what Manny was doing he'll still defend it, make excuses and claim the 2 championships the Sawx won were untainted. Its one thing for Gammons to be biased in Boston, but on espn he should treat it like Manny was the guy who beat the Red Sox in the WS. I'm sure his opinion would be different. Its seems pretty far fetched a guy would START using PEDs after the league starts testing for them. If anything, Manny's statement via Boras that he has passed 15 tests only shows testing isn't where it should be yet.

The bottom line is the millionaires rarely get busted for steroids, just the lower level guys who can't afford to stay ahead of the testing. There have to be hundreds of players who have never flunked a test who still were hopped up on goofballs.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ May 7, 2009 -> 10:02 AM) However, two sources told ESPN's T.J. Quinn and Mark Fainaru-Wada that the drug used by Ramirez is HCG -- human chorionic gonadotropin. HCG is a women's fertility drug typically used by steroid users to restart their body's natural testosterone production as they come off a steroid cycle. It is similar to Clomid, the drug Bonds, Giambi and others used as clients of BALCO. www.espn.com I thought that just was off the top of your head.

I really think there has to be a cheaper alternative that retractable domes. Maybe that sail-type thing they had over the proposed park in Tampa can gain some steam rainouts and rain delays can become a thing of the past, at least in the major leagues.

Apparently Manny isn't hung like a yak.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ May 7, 2009 -> 09:21 AM) Turico and Van Pelt say the drug was a women's fertility drug, commonly taken when coming off a "cycle" of steroids or PEDs. Bingo. They will spin it still and many will buy it, but why in God's name would he be taking a women's fertility drug for if it wasn't in conjunction with PEDs? There is no doubt in my mind he was able to mask the PED. He just couldn't mask this.

QUOTE (G&T @ May 7, 2009 -> 09:20 AM) He was told in spring training according to the report. And his second test triggered the suspension? He kept taking it. I wonder why? Even Manny's most loyal fans have to know something is up here, and it isn't just his jimmy.

QUOTE (ChiSox_Sonix @ May 7, 2009 -> 09:18 AM) Nope. If that report is true, it is still Manny's fault for not knowing exactly what is going into his body, but it hardly makes his "crime" comparable to those of others. And on a side not, if that report is true, how many sexual-related jokes are there going to be surrounding Manny now? Looks like he enhanced something This is exactly the "spin" Boras was looking for. He tested positive for it twice according to the article. Isn't he told about a positive test?

QUOTE (Kalapse @ May 7, 2009 -> 09:09 AM) Well he tested positive for a "banned substance" that's been referred to as "non-performance enhancing". So the drug simply contains a substance that is banned by baseball, not a stimulant and not believed to be a baseball performance enhancer. I'm also curious as to who the "source close to Ramirez" is. There's this guy who's name rhymes with "chorus" that's pretty close to Manny. And if he is taking this product, and it did cost him $8.3 million without even a small fight, even being represented by Scott Boras (Gee I wonder if they see what ARods going through and realize some skeletons in Manny's closet would definitely come out) don't some PEDs cause loss of sex drive? Wouldn't it be even funnier than Plaxico Burress having to do time for shooting himself that Manny masks the PED just fine, but takes something else to lessen that particular effect and gets busted for that?

QUOTE (fathom @ May 7, 2009 -> 08:49 AM) When Magglio first started with the Tigers, Boers and Bernstein had KW on the radio, and said "I didn't know that knee surgery would make your foreams so much bigger?" KW gave his creepy little laugh, and said no comment. It was pretty obvious that KW completely agreed with this. Considering KW offered Magglio a contract extension, if he agreed and knew, then he's just as guilty. Maggs was about 25 lbs. lighter his first year with the Tigers vs. his last with the White Sox.

QUOTE (ChiSox_Sonix @ May 7, 2009 -> 08:43 AM) Yea i'm far from Manny's biggest fan but nice try. There havent even been many who have tested positive. Two I can think of are JC Romero and Mike Cameron. Cameron didn't seem to catch any s*** and Romero actually had some supporters here in that thread that was started about him. So yea, that argument just about went out the window. I do apologize that I am not as cynical about everything as you are though. Those 2 told everyone what it was they were busted for and tried to fight the suspension. Manny, who will probably say what it was once they can spin it enough to make it look like it really was nothing, won't even fight it. He's accepting the suspension and $8.3 million loss. Doesn't sound too innocent to me. But then again, he's been known to want a vacation in the middle of the season before, but usually wants them paid.

I wouldn't doubt if more than half the pitchers in the 90s at least tried PEDs

QUOTE (Flash Tizzle @ May 7, 2009 -> 08:37 AM) MWAHAHAHAHA. Ramirez comes off as an idiot, so I wouldn't put it past him to take medication from a doctor without first having his agent (or himself) check the banned substances list. His only hope of coming clean is to actually name the medication he took. Has he done that yet? Even if it's potentially embarrassing (such as for some new herpes medication), he has to put things in perspective -- either receive embarrassment from the medication, and it's accompanying condition, or have your entire career questioned. He will come out with it just as soon as Boras and the rest of his team can find enough info on the substance that can make Manny look as innocent as possible.

QUOTE (Thunderbolt @ May 7, 2009 -> 08:34 AM) I know Frank Thomas passes the eye test, and always has an out due to the football, but i'm very concerned that inevitably someone's going to go after him, or Griffey, or Thome. And we're all going to have to deal with the s***storm that this creates. Too often, we as White Sox fans, are able to remove ourselves from this as fans, i hope it stays this way. He did put on about 45 pounds his first 2 years in MLB. If my wife wouldn't make healthy dinner, I could easily do that.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ May 7, 2009 -> 08:32 AM) Was Albert Belle's name ever tied into steroids? I think if he was able to continue playing there would have been questions and he wouldn't have answered them because he doesn't answer any questions. He was Corky before Sosa, but his twin brother was bigger than him.