Dick Allen

QUOTE(Jordan4life_2006 @ Jul 31, 2006 -> 08:32 PM) His era ist at 4.63. Imagine if he pitched half his games at the Cell. He wouldn't be any better than Vazquez. Imagine what his record would be if he got over 7 runs a start support, same as Vazquez.

QUOTE(Jordan4life_2006 @ Jul 31, 2006 -> 08:30 PM) I'm not even sticking up for Garcia or Vazquez. I just found it funny that dickallen (one of the more pessimistic people on this site) stuck up for Rogers, who's been pitching like spiff since the break, and has a history of pitching like spiff after the break, yet has no problem at all killing our guys when they're struggling. Rogers might be pitching like spiff after the break, but he beat the White Sox after the break. He won a big game for his team.

QUOTE(Jordan4life_2006 @ Jul 31, 2006 -> 08:25 PM) Well, Rogers' era is at 4.63 now. His era is well over 10 since the break. He has a history of piching like crap after the break. How is he any less useless than Garcia and Vazquez? What are the ERA's of the 2 you are talking about? What is Vazquez's history in the AL after the break? How is Freddy's 86 mph heater going to hold up in the dog days? I've never said Rogers is great, I just said he isn't useless. He would have been a far option for KW than Javier Vazquez.

QUOTE(Jordan4life_2006 @ Jul 31, 2006 -> 08:19 PM) Why not? You say that about all our starters. No I don't. The only 2 I find totally useless are Vazquez and Garcia. I have been one of Contreras' biggest supporters since he became a White Sox. Last year when people wanted to trade him for Burnett, I was laughed at for suggesting he could outpitch Burnett the rest of the 2005 season. I'm not a huge fan of Garland, but he's been better lately. He'll fall back from where's he been but probably won't be as bad as he was at the beginning of the year for the balance. Buerhle I like, but he's been so horrible. He'll be back.

QUOTE(Jordan4life_2006 @ Jul 31, 2006 -> 08:16 PM) His era has to be something like 12 since the all-star break. Didn't he beat the Sox in a series Hawk said was far bigger for the Tigers than the Sox?

QUOTE(jphat007 @ Jul 31, 2006 -> 08:15 PM) Kenny Rogers coming back to Earth? No way... I wouldn't count Rogers as useless quite yet.

Just remember when things aren't going so well, they always could be worse. You could be a Royals fan.

QUOTE(santo=dorf @ Jul 31, 2006 -> 08:11 PM) This is starting to remind me of the summer of 2003 Hopefully it will be different from the middle of September on.

Thome has to be livid he can't take cuts against this pitching staff.

The fact that they would send him to Chicago would indicate to me the Sox thought it could be a big problem. Maybe they didn't say anything because if he was hurt they probably would have tried for a big bat at the deadline and didn't want the price to get higher than gas.

Crede does look tired lately, but doesn't he historically hit well in KC?

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Jul 31, 2006 -> 07:48 PM) Oh, and BTW, worst night to sit Iguchi. He can only hit righties.

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Jul 31, 2006 -> 07:47 PM) If he went for the running catch at the shoetops and missed it, it would have cost us many more runs. Smart play by him IMO. Stand there and let the ball bounce 5 feet in front of you? This is the major leagues. The greatest players in the world. He's probably the only LF that doesn't have that ball routinely.

QUOTE(fathom @ Jul 31, 2006 -> 07:46 PM) People say he's supposed to be a decent outfielder because he has speed. However, he's so tentative out there, and he looks slower than hell now. I laugh when people rip on Manny's defense when trying to stick up for Pods. I watched some Red Sox games this weekend, and Manny made 5 throws in those games better than any Pods has ever made. Most of the people throwing out the ceremonial first pitch make stronger throws than Pods has ever made.

QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Jul 31, 2006 -> 07:44 PM) Thank god the weight of the trade deadline is off their collective backs so they can start to play good ball. Brady Clark would of caught that. But Mr. Dergan has a hot wife, is a singles hitter, who cant steal, and cant field. Glad we have him over Clark. Just put fishing Mack in LF and be done with it. Pods only steal since the All Star game he actually was picked off. By Bruce Chen. For the 3rd time in 2 years.

Pods looked like he was playing bounce or fly and he needed to get one on the bounce. He is really pathetic defensively. He wasn't great last year, but the dropoff this season has been tremendous.

Scott Podsednik is the worst LF in baseball.

QUOTE(zygoat @ Jul 31, 2006 -> 04:39 PM) i would not trade Vaz for Lidge. Here are my reasons. 1. Vaz is a solid pitcher through 5 innings, and if he doenst come in the 6th, he's fine 2. Lidge is really screwed up and sucks at pitching this year 3. Starting pitching needs to remain deep in our situation, because if we only have 5 starters, and one goes down, who comes in? 4. Vaz had a great speech on comcast and he sounded pissed that he sucks so far this year. Im expecting a turnaround Vazquez was pissed that he sucked with the Yankees, his attitude has never been a problem. For all his talent, he just isn't very good. It was interesting yesterday that coming into the game both Vazquez and Bruce Chen were 1 under .500 in their careers, and both had similar career ERAs. Chen has been on almost every team in the major leagues. Vazquez makes $12 million a year. Someone was very stupid to give Vazquez that contract.

I guess the distraction excuse should be gone. There is no reason the Sox shouldn't sweep this series, but I'll take 2 out of 3.

QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Jul 31, 2006 -> 03:37 PM) I'm an idiot, I was thinking he was in the AL (don't ask me why). I can't believe the Angels didn't get him to begin with. He was a nice fit for their team, and they have plenty of prospects to deal.

QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Jul 31, 2006 -> 03:33 PM) I wouldn't be shocked if talks continue for Soriano as he may pass through waivers to the point that a team thats interested in him can claim him and have some exclusive talks with the Nats. That would probably be a team like the Angels (since they are the AL contenders with the worse records who'd probably be willing to try and work something) I don't think he would clear NL waivers. I don't think there's a chance in hell of it actually.

QUOTE(Reddy @ Jul 31, 2006 -> 03:29 PM) per espn, Soriano not traded. Wow, looks like everyone called Bowden's bluff. Either that, or they are very confident they can sign him.

QUOTE(champ @ Jul 31, 2006 -> 03:25 PM) Why the hell would we need Lugo? We don't need a terrible defensive SS... Keep the White Sox wife beater-free.

QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Jul 31, 2006 -> 03:22 PM) I wouldn't be shocked if that was true. If he's the best hitter on the team, and the best defensive first baseman, why was acquiring Jim Thome one of the reasons Paulie gave for re-signing? If Gload's a better hitter, wouldn't playing him regularly have sufficed?

QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ Jul 31, 2006 -> 03:21 PM) ??? He has a career line of .261/.295/.338. He isn't an efficient base stealer, but he has some speed. His only real asset is his glove. He's a bench player. I don't think he's very good, but when there were rumors of KW's interest a couple months ago, if you read some of the posts, you would have thought his bust has already been made for Cooperstown.