Dick Allen

QUOTE(fathom @ Jul 23, 2006 -> 05:33 PM) I can remember quite a few games where he hit into a walk-off double play. Luckily, one of those was when he was on the Indians, and it was against Foulke. A guy I work with lives in Cleveland and is a huge Indians fan. When the Sox first signed Alomar back in 2001 or 2002, he mentioned that although Sandy was very popular in Cleveland, the Indians fans would not miss the DP balls Sandy seemed to hit into often in close games.

At least Thome will have another guy to party with.

QUOTE(fathom @ Jul 23, 2006 -> 05:13 PM) He'll make more contact. However, I think he also likes to wear shades at the plate. Alomar is one guy you would like to see whiff more often. His consistent contact a lot of times bring up the numbers 6-4-3.

I was in Boston in 2003, and I just can't get the image of Sandy, who is a really nice guy, walking through the lobby, walking like he was 85 years old in need of knee replacement surgery in both knees. He was really hobbling, but he still played that night. He must take painkillers up the wazoo to be able to play.

QUOTE(Felix @ Jul 23, 2006 -> 05:05 PM) SA Jr. has a 6.09 CERA this year In the NL..............................at Dodger Stadium. His CERA usually is higher than the team ERA.

QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Jul 23, 2006 -> 05:01 PM) Seriously, what was really available from a catchers perspective that wouldnt cost a lot. Do you really want to blow any quality prospects that can get us something on a fishing backup catcher. If he hits .220 with no power, he is still an upgrade over Widger. I actually think I was being generous with the .220-.240 prediction. At least Widger may run into one once in a while and hit it over the wall. I'm not going to get too upset with this, it is just the back-up catcher, but keep in mind, there's an excellent chance Sandy is going to go on the DL sometime as well. I think the Sox would have been far better served just calling up Stewart. He's a better player than SA Jr. at this point.

QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Jul 23, 2006 -> 04:56 PM) He is hitting .323 this year including a .500 spot against lefties. I could care less if he is 70, if he can put the ball in play fairly once and a while and call a decent game, he is an upgrade over widger. His game calling is very overrated. He is no better defensively than Widger, and offensively he will not continue hitting .323. He will hit .220-.240 with the Sox with little to no power, and the guy doesn't walk at all. He's brutal at this point in his career.

Sandy hasn't homered since he played for the Sox, but he's walked 5 times. I don't understand this at all. Oh well, he is replacing Widger, so at worst its a push.

I don't even think its an upgrade. Alomar is done. What's with KW's fetish of acquiring guys named Alomar during the season? Sandy has hit alright this season with no power, but he always tails off, and you might as well have Carlton Fisk's statue behind the plate.

QUOTE(Kalapse @ Jul 23, 2006 -> 04:45 PM) Wasn't Freddy Garcia traded for at like 5:05 or 6:05 on a Sunday? It was a Sunday game against the Cubs. Olivo hit a homer that game, and was lifted in the 8th because he was headed to Seattle. He cried.

QUOTE(fathom @ Jul 23, 2006 -> 04:23 PM) He looks like the guy that Wild Thing K'd at the end of the game in "Major League". The Chicago native has bad knees, FWIW. And I'm with you...please no Sandy Alomar. He needs a cut-off man when someone tries to steal against him. I think the guy Wild Thing fanned actually was ex-White Sox Pete Vuckovich. And they do look a lot a like, although Vuckovich's face could hold a week of rain.

Sal Fasano was on the DL for Philly and was DFA'd yesterday. He can hit an occassional bomb. Maybe KW is working on a bigger deal with big fat Sal thrown in.

QUOTE(Heads22 @ Jul 23, 2006 -> 04:09 PM) Works well enough for Mirabelli. Oh, and from a couple posts earlier, Olivo stands right beside Rowand as guys who won't be Sox this year. I agree. I also think Javy Lopez ain't happening either. There just isn't enough playing time to justify taking the contract.

QUOTE(Heads22 @ Jul 23, 2006 -> 04:05 PM) I really doubt Chuck comes back up. Stew does do a pretty good job, but if you've got a guy throwing like 80% knucklers, the passed balls stick out....let me see how many he has. He IS our best defensive catcher in the system that can hit a ball at all. If he's on the team next year, and if Haeger somehow is in the rotation, you never know with injury and poor performance, I wouldn't be surprised if Stewart isn't his personal catcher. Not the greatest job in the world, but I'm sure Stewart would be thrilled.

QUOTE(Young Gun @ Jul 23, 2006 -> 03:57 PM) Yup, I thought about Alomar as well. Please no Alomar. He's been washed up for a couple of years. He is perhaps the most overrated game caller of all time. I think when he was in his prime on the Indians his CERA was almost a run above the back-ups almost every season. I do think its amazing he outlasted his brother. You could have made a lot of money betting on that.

Garland was fantastic again today, and as much as I know the guy is a bench player and anything more is a stretch, let me express my appreciation for Mackowiak busting his butt down the line on routine groundballs. He's the only White Sox that does it every time, and today he got himself on base because of it.

I can't see Lopez on the Sox. He'd play once a week. That's not going to work for him. I'm sure santo=dorf is dancing in the streets. This move was long overdue.

The White Sox don't get the Yankees money for Vazquez. That goes to Arizona who does pay a small portion of Vazquez's deal for this year and next. The Sox are still on the hook for a total of aboug $10 million a year for him I believe. The year of control the White Sox gained by Vazquez's trade request is an arbitration year, something unless there is dramatic improvement , the Sox will want no part of.

I do think Soriano is an excellent example of what you could expect Fields to look like defensively if he's playing LF for the Sox next year. If a position change is in the works for Fields, its about time they throw him out in LF in Charlotte. Its hard enough being a rookie in MLB. Don't make it harder by having him play a position you try to have him learn in winter ball.

QUOTE(jackie hayes @ Jul 22, 2006 -> 04:17 PM) What are they asking for? It's just a rental, but then we'd get 2 draft picks next year, correct? (How do they figure the free agent type with a player who's changed positions, anyway?) In the end, it's about the rotation recovering, though. And anyone who'll be in the rotation is already with the team. So, although I think a couple moves could help, I'm not gonna be heartbroken by what does or doesn't happen at the deadline. Probably a ton. Especially since Soriano has recently said he wouldn't be opposed to signing with the Nationals. The Angels and Tigers are probably the competition, and they both have some pretty decent prospects to make an attractive package to acquire him. QUOTE(CWSOX45 @ Jul 22, 2006 -> 04:22 PM) I can't see us seriously considering this, I bet Kenny is just seeing what the Kitties are offering, and therefore will make a high bid forcing hte Tigers to overpay if they want him. It would depend on who had to be surrendered. Soriano is a huge upgrade over Pods. Defensively its probably a wash except Soriano can throw, and throw well. Offensively, his obp is a little higher, he only has swiped 4 less bases in 9 less attempts and he's got 30 homers, more than anyone on the Sox not named Thome. He puts these numbers up in Washington.

Ken Rosenthal on Fox reported KW has inquired about Soriano. KW is always willing to give up prospects.Seems KW is about as sick of Pods as most on this board.

QUOTE(fathom @ Jul 22, 2006 -> 02:46 PM) Former Sox organization member, Alex Escobar, looks very good in his brief stint this season. Oddly enough, as so many assumed Owens was stolen for him, Escobar probably could really help the White Sox this season if he could remain healthy which probably is a huge question.

QUOTE(fathom @ Jul 22, 2006 -> 11:44 AM) Sounds like Vazquez from Wednesday night. Yeah, I posted somewhere that Buerhle has gone from a guy with a 13.00 ERA his last several starts to being Vazquez. Unfortunately for us and Buehrle and Vazquez, you don't get to throw away your bad inning. The difference between the 2 is Buerhle has a history of being a good pitcher, Vazquez has a history of having a bad inning or 2 in many of the games he pitches. The complaints about him Sox fans have are eerily similar to the complaints Yankee fans had about him a couple of years ago.

I posted before that besides that one inning last night, Buerhle was impressive. Hopefully he can build on that because the White Sox desperately need him to return to form. Just because he was 1-10 or 2-10 a couple of years ago and bounced back to respectability doesn't mean he's going to go on a long winning streak this season. It was nice that he was able to pick up the pieces after the disasterous inning last night. Because he left the game with 4 or 5 good innings, it may be easier for him to build on, rather than a game where he pitched well for 4 or 5 innings, but left getting teed off on.