Dick Allen

Freddy's a big game pitcher

If Philadelphia really is stupid enough to give the Sox Gordon for Garcia, it should be done immediately. Even Hawk is referring to Garcia as meat right now.

The White Sox have only won 5 games this year when they have scored 3 or less runs. The good news is that they usually score more than 3, the bad is if the offense slows down, this could be one tough second half. They are 5-18 when they score less than 4 runs. Of course, most teams have poor records when they don't score much.

QUOTE(soxunited @ Jul 16, 2006 -> 11:20 AM) Lineup: LF Podsednik, Scott 2B Iguchi, Tadahito DH Thome, Jim 1B Konerko, Paul RF Dye, Jermaine C Pierzynski, AJ 3B Crede, Joe CF Mackowiak, Rob SS Uribe, Juan Glad that Konerko is back, and Crede too. I think the Sox are going to need to score runs in mass quantity today.

QUOTE(BigSqwert @ Jul 16, 2006 -> 11:11 AM) LOL I see you are doubting the magical abilities of Dr Coop. Its sort of my personal crusade. I can't believe all the posts I see of acquiring rubbish who will magically turn to gold working with Cooper. Cooper was the Sox pitching coach before last season, and I didn't see everyone thinking he was a miracle worker then. I do think he's a good pitching coach. I just don't think he "fixes" everybody. If the guy was the miracle worker a lot of people think he is, would the board have any posts which state the concern with the current pitching staff, the one with the greatest rotation ever assembled?

QUOTE(RME JICO @ Jul 16, 2006 -> 10:27 AM) A trade in the works for Politte? http://www.dailyherald.com/sports/whitesox.asp?id=208283 The best the Sox could hope for is a non-prospect. Most likely he will be released IMO.

I think the problem is the pitchers are being compared to last year, and to last year's playoff run when, in both instances they pitched way better than can be reasonable expected again, at least for an entire season. Buerhle, even with his last 3 bombings, has numbers pretty close to what you could reasonable expect. Garland was a journeyman basically until last year. Freddy was good and bad at Seattle, so its not shocking to see him with an ERA over 4. Contreras has been solid, better than could be expected, and Vazquez has been mediocre for the vast majority of his career. Expections of the pitching staff were way too high. Unreasonably high. The greatest 5 man rotation in history? Please. Its a good thing the offense improved this year. With last years offense and this year's pitching, the Sox probably would be looking at dueling it out with Cleveland for 3rd place.

The problem is Coop is in NY COOP WILL FIX HIM

QUOTE(shoota @ Jul 15, 2006 -> 06:38 PM) I never stated KW disregards Ozzie's views on players, or that Ozzie doesn't have influence on the roster. KW's and Ozzie's roster decisions don't have to coincide, and when they don't, KW has the power to trump Ozzie's say. If Ozzie feels strongly that he doesn't want someone on the roster, he won't be on the roster. Until recently, maybe after watching Politte pitch too much, he apparently felt that way about Tracey.

QUOTE(Contreras @ Jul 15, 2006 -> 06:25 PM) It's a shame, but it had to be done. I hope Clifford has a miraculous turnaround and big success in the majors (well, in the NL, anyway). I think its a longshot Politte is ever more than a mop-up guy again. 3 out of the past 4 seasons he's been pretty pathetic.

QUOTE(shoota @ Jul 15, 2006 -> 06:19 PM) Ozzie might feel that way about Tracey, but KW's opinion trumps Ozzie's. KW's not going to put a guy on the roster that Ozzie wouldn't put into a game. I don't understand how people on this board don't want to believe Ozzie's huge influence on the roster. I understand KW likes to flex his muscles every now and then, but he's knows better than to disreguard Ozzie's view on certain players.

Buerhle's problem is that he is not locating. He's leaving everything right down the heart of the plate or missing the corners by a few inches for balls. When he gets his command back he'll be fine, but as long as its off a little, he's a gas can.

QUOTE(3E8 @ Jul 15, 2006 -> 06:09 PM) July has been rough. 10.2 IP, 11 H, 7 BB, 8 K, 8.43 ERA, 1.68 WHIP He'll fill Politte's shoes pretty well with those numbers.

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Jul 15, 2006 -> 06:05 PM) Any chance Clifford accepts a AAA assignment? I wouldn't be surprised. KW is probably going to try and find a major league job for him. If there isn't anything I would imagine Charlotte is just as nice as any other place he may land, unless he just wants to go home and rest and maybe see if someone will give him a shot in the spring.

QUOTE(SoxFan101 @ Jul 15, 2006 -> 06:03 PM) Yeah I always knew the person who said they had a source Tracey would never play for the sox was a bunch of bs. It didnt make sense at all..... Im not saying the poster is a liar im just saying his source is garbage. That's pretty harsh. Maybe Ozzie's sensitivity training paid off for Tracey. I think Ozzie thought of Tracey after the Texas incident much the same way he felt of Arnie Munoz, a guy who if he struck out every batter he saw this spring would not have been on the White Sox roster.

Politte is done. He's a nice guy, but as I said before so is my next door neighbor and I don't want him pitching for the White Sox. Hopefully Cliff could hook up with Detroit or the Yankees, some team the Sox may have to battle with to get in the playoffs, because he is and will be batting practice. I'm glad Tracey is being given a chance, if he blows up or starts walking guys at an alarming rate, I'm sure KW will do something about it or maybe even Coop will fix him.

QUOTE(santo=dorf @ Jul 15, 2006 -> 02:56 PM) Crobsy is a f***ing Sox killer. I remember him doing that s*** to us back in April of 2004 Off Shingo in his White Sox debut.

A nice perk for season ticketholders may be to invite them to take a couple of cuts off Politte.

QUOTE(Frankensteiner @ Jul 15, 2006 -> 02:53 PM) I agree with everything you say but I really can't get all that worked up about Politte. He's the mop up guy in the bullpen. We're not losing these games to the Yanks/Red Sox by relying on Politte. This game was over when our All-Star starting pitcher gave up 8 runs through 3 innings. Trying to figure out what to do with our starting staff should be KW's first priority. You're right, its not his fault they are getting killed today. The problem is he is taking up a valuable roster spot, a spot that could be used for someone who actually could get someone out once in a while. If KW isn't going to be able to upgrade the rotation, strengthening the bullpen is the next best thing. There will be a time where Politte's roster spot will be very important.

COOP WILL FIX THEM I mean COOP WILL FIX THEM

Its time right now for KW to tell Politte if he wants to continue pitching he can go to Charlotte or he can be released and pitch for another organization's AAA affiliate. I knew Politte would suck in March. If they still think he has a chance to be helpful other than pitching batting practice, they are out of their minds.

QUOTE(fathom @ Jul 15, 2006 -> 02:43 PM) Maybe we can keep getting Angels cast-offs, as they have no problem developing power pitchers. Jenks and Turnbow. If they had kept those guys, the Angels may have had one of the best bullpens in history.

QUOTE(quickman @ Jul 15, 2006 -> 02:38 PM) Tiger pitchers throw 95-100 miles per hour. If they miss there spots they still get people out. Our "crafty" pitchers miss there spots and its lights out. That's exactly right. I remember Hawk talking a couple years ago about all the guys the Sox had in their organization that threw 95 and up. What happened?

They should use Gload in Politte's role. How could he do any worse?

COOP WILL FIX HIM