Dick Allen

I'm not against trading BMac by any stretch of the imagination. But if he doesn't get hurt he will be a very good pitcher in the major leagues. He's just a kid, a real tall skinny kid. He's going to sharpen his repetoire, he'll probably add a couple of MPH on the fastball, he's going to become wiser, he's just learning how to pitch. If Burnett had a history of great results rather than great stuff, I would do this deal in a heartbeat. But he made his debut in 1999 and at his best has performed a little better than average.

QUOTE(southsideirish @ Jul 24, 2005 -> 11:50 AM) So has Beckett, you wouldn't want Josh Beckett? I sure would and the Marlins would not have won a world series without him. That means nothing to me. By the way he has not been on it this year. Just explain to me how Burnett has been a better pitcher than Contreras this season.

AJ Burnett has been on the DL every season since 2000, per Bruce Levine.

QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Jul 24, 2005 -> 10:58 AM) Uribe would be the most likely guy. Vizquel as your number 2. Move gooch further back in the lineup so he can swing away. I think it gets the front of the lineup even better, and improves an inconsistant back of the lineup. Pods Viz Arow Dye Everett Kong/Gload AJ Crede Gooch Vizquel is not available.

QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Jul 24, 2005 -> 10:54 AM) For those wanting a bat. My question is who gets replaced in the lineup and who do you all want? KW wants another bat. Levine was saying they came in second for Graffinino and for Randa. So he knows more offense is in order. I think with Frank out, it opens up a spot for a guy at any position.

QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Jul 24, 2005 -> 10:45 AM) You are right he is a bad pitcher, all those teams trying to trade for him must not have looked up those stats, I am sold now. Kris Benson was the flavor of the month last season. He was awful.

QUOTE(southsideirish @ Jul 24, 2005 -> 10:39 AM) And Marte and McCarthy have been what? Marte has been very inconsistent and possibly injured and McCarthy has not shown a damn thing in the majors or minors this year. Yes I take that chance on a power arm who has received very little run support. Especially to make him my 3rd or 4th starter, I say HELL YES! His ERA the las 2 months is over 4.50. That's in the NL. Run support hasn't been the issue.

QUOTE(southsideirish @ Jul 24, 2005 -> 10:33 AM) Have you seen what TB has asked for in return for Huff? I guarrantee you they do not do that deal. Cinci maybe, and I would love it, but who knows. Your taking as much a risk on Jr as you are on Burnett in that instance. And yes I give up the so called "top of the line left handed relief pitcher" and if you think he is the top pitcher in our minors fine, but I like some others we have better. No doubt I do that deal. Our time is now, not next year or 5 years from now, but NOW!!!!!!! But you are acquiring a .500 pitcher who even this season has been just as inconsitent as the pitcher he would replace in the rotation. On top of that, it appears it would be a 2 month rental. I don't mind them overpaying, I don't mind them trading BMac, I do mind trying to pass off a guy who has been mediocre his entire career as the guy who is going to take the White Sox to the promised land.

QUOTE(southsideirish @ Jul 24, 2005 -> 10:21 AM) Wrong on both accounts. There is not one report that states Burnett doesn't want to be here and Contreras would be the man going to the pen. BMac can bring you a middle of the order guy? Who is available and who can he bring us? If Marte is hurt and inconsistent right now then how will he become healthy and consistent later this season? I mean we are going for the World Series THIS year right? So you give up if healthy, a top of the line left handed relief pitcher, and your top pitcher in the minor leagues in return you get a .500 pitcher for 2 months. I guarantee you if you offered BMac straight up for Aubrey Huff, TB jumps at it. I bet if you offered BMac for Griffey, Cincinatti jumps at it. Read Dave Van Dykes article in the Tribune. M

QUOTE(3E8 @ Jul 24, 2005 -> 10:12 AM) Where did you read this? In the Tribune, Dave Van Dyke said part of the requirement was Burnett had to sign an extension. It said a source indicated he would not sign with the White Sox.

QUOTE(Y2HH @ Jul 24, 2005 -> 10:11 AM) I'd take this deal, Burnett has playoff/world series experience which is a big plus, we can move Duque into the #5 slot until the playoffs...this deal opens up a ton of opportunity for us at the cost of Marte, and as good as Marte has been, I'm not sure I'm confident in putting a two pitch pitcher in a must win playoff game. Burnett has no playoff experience. He was hurt during the Marlins run in 2003.

Reports indicate Burnett doesn't want to be here. I don't believe he's a significant upgrade over Contreras, also his acquisition would mean El Duque who was signed in part for his playoff prowess, would become a long man in the pen for the playoffs. I wouldn't mind adding Burnett, but BMac could easily bring you a part you more desperately need, that being a middle of the order guy who can get hits with runners on base, and Marte has been inconsistent but hurt. When he's healthy he is cheap and one of the best left hand relief pitchers in the league. Just say no, KW.

If the Sox pick up Lowell, I wouldn't be surprised if Lowell or Crede are shipped elsewhere.

Up until this season, Mike Lowell's offensive stats have been very similar to Eric Chavez's. The one big difference obviously is Chavez is left handed which is something the White Sox lack, a legitimate middle of the order guy who hits left handed.

Is Bruce staking his reputation to this one as well?

I was shocked, but he did pitch great.

QUOTE(Milkman delivers @ Jul 23, 2005 -> 08:32 PM) I know at least one guy that didn't choke that year :rolly The milkman was the man.

QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Jul 23, 2005 -> 08:28 PM) Paulie popping up and Everett striking out with men on was a huge flashback to our 3-4-5 hitters against Seattle in 2000. 2000 playoffs. Maggs, Lee, Frank, and Konerko combined 3-40. Frank and Konerko combined 0-18.

QUOTE(fathom @ Jul 23, 2005 -> 08:23 PM) Just be thankful this slump is taking place now, and not in two weeks. It's a good thing that Ozzie/KW are seeing this team struggle right now. I don't think it's critical to say they've been a little full of themselves lately. I've seen way too many comments about how if it's not broke, we won't fix it. This terrible homestand has shown the powers that be the holes on this team can't be ignored if they want the ultimate prize. You're exactly right, its good that this happens now rather than 2 weeks from now when trying to fix it becomes even harder.

QUOTE(Big Hurtin @ Jul 23, 2005 -> 08:21 PM) Damn, people just don't get it. There are still over two months of baseball left to play before the playoffs. Being 10 games up doesn't mean anything. Talk to me after they play the Red Sox, Yankees, and Twins (who have been a second half team for years). Unfortuately, it will be past the trading deadline. Kenny doesn't want to upset chemistry. This team will fade and get bounced out of the playoffs if they still get in. All because they were content to be good, and afraid to be great. KW is going to do something. It may not be the right thing, but at least he'll do something.

QUOTE(Cerbaho-WG @ Jul 23, 2005 -> 08:06 PM) The problem is that there really isn't a whole lot on the trade market in terms of players who will significantly upgrade the offense. Mackowiak or Freel would be nice additions, but there needs to be a massive revamping of the infield which KW seems to be afraid of, and I don't really blame him much. As much as I would have been opposed to this as little as a week ago, I think KW should make a run at Griffey. With Thomas out, he can save his legs part time and DH him. He still has prodigious power. His bat has slowed so he may flourish in the breaking ball happy AL. I have no idea what Cincinatti would want. I doubt they want any outfielders, and how much you gave up probably is tied to how much of the contract you are willing to assume.

There has to be better odds of Contreras actually pitching well against Boston than Miller getting through a game unscathed. I think tomorrow is a big game for the psyche of this team. They have already established in their minds that they can't beat Oakland. They are now in the process of establishing in their minds they can't beat Boston. Its very possible both of those teams are in the playoffs. I also hope they make up their minds quickly about Thomas and not let his status drag on like it did last season.

Paulie swing at the first pitch out of the zone down 3-0

QUOTE(qwerty @ Jul 23, 2005 -> 07:31 PM) Is it his fault no one drives him in? No its not. That's why it might not hurt if he got himself on 3rd base or 2nd base or drove himself in, and not have Iguchi have to give himself up to move him along when Iguchi could try to drive him in himself.

QUOTE(fathom @ Jul 23, 2005 -> 07:27 PM) This Pods is a lot better than the overswinging Pods from last season. I'm not so sure. He scored 100 runs with Milwaukee in 2003 and 85 last year hitting .244. He is on pace for about 90 this year.