Dick Allen

1. you seriously suggesting that JM could have done what Phil Jackson did? 2. JM took over an inept team from Bevington and made them good. Like it or not, Jerry has contibuted a lot to the Sox. Make the critiques, just make them fom a place where you may rationally convince someone else, if you wish to be effectve. If your desire is just to join the mindless "Jerry sucks" cacauphony, then, achieve that. curious though that JM was here (thus far) less time than a lot of praised former managers and yet achieved more wins than a lot of them. He's also been given a heck of a lot more slack than other managers. Torborg was manager of the year, took a team a hell of a lot more brutal than the one JM took over and made them good. He wasn't canned but was told to seriously consider the Mets job. LaMont took over had 2 great teams, one bad one because Schueler thought Sabo and Kruk were good players and was canned, in what was the most unfair firing in White Sox history. Larry Himes builds a cheap contender and his draft results were great, wasn't offered a contract because JR didn't like him personally. When he was let go they used the same point A to point B to point C crap they used when Doug Collins got fired. Then Schueler becomes GM and JR says he can be the GM until he doesn't want to. Schueler takes over a 94 win team with one of the 3 lowest payrolls in baseball and never takes them to point c. My point is people have been let go by this organization who have done a heck of a lot more towards winning than Jerry Manuel. He's a nice guy, but his time is up. Hopefully the Sox will wake up from this last coma and win the World Series. If they don't, its time to clean house starting at the top, and for God sakes, bring in someone with experience.

With the exception of Loaisa. Marte, and maybe Wunch, all Sox pitchers have underachieved this season. Maybe Cooper is next on the firing line. It seems this organization likes to put the blame on coaches.

He doesn't count. He was an old Sox farmhand, even though it was before most of the guys on the team were around. But this never faced him before thing has been going on for the last 3 years. Offense hasn't been the problem in Texas for the Sox. They have scored more than enough to win. But if they score 2 runs tonight, we'll hear that old song and dance.With the exception of Buerhle, the Sox starters have been awful this road trip. And with the bullpen like it is, its going to take a lot of runs to win.

JR doesn't renegotiate.

This team has been criticized mercilessly about their collective approaches to the plate. Basically they just swing for the fences. Frank has had a HOF career, and was putting up big numbers, until he announced he was just going to swing for the fences and not worry about his average. I've found nothing on this board questioning Frank's decision.Since this announcement, his average has plummeted dramatically, while his power production has waned. JM should never have criticized him in the papers, thats bush league, but he does have a point. Why, after being successful for so long, and seemingly finding the groove after a couple of tough years, does he change his approach. Is he so infatuated with hitting 500 homeruns that he is scrapping everything else? Sounds Sosaesque to me.

Sox hitters fired up to avoid a sweep? Probably as fired up as they were in Detroit. Cotts will really show me something tonight if he pitches well. I believe the deck is stacked against him. And remember, the Sox have never faced the other starter, a fact I'm getting so sick of hearing. Every other team who has never faced him lights him up, the Sox go meakly into the night. Maybe after the first 2 games the Rangers will be a little tired from running the bases and Buck will borrow a page out of JM's book and rest everybody.

Why is he batting 5th. For the love of God, JM blasts Thomas in the papers then benches him and puts this dope 5th.

If Wood didn't know the mound, how was the Sox pitcher ever gonna figure that mound out. Chimp is an ass. He has no business in a broadcast booth. He should be doing those US 30 drag strip commercials. I remember him describing a pop up to second as a "rocket shot".

Hawk's a great announcer. He also has to carry DJ most of the time. When he retires, people will realize just how good he is. I think this year he is better than ever. He doesn't sugarcoat like he used to every now and then, and he's really into it. You can tell by his tone if the Sox are winning or losing. Plus the evolution of he's gone to he gawn was a stroke of genius.

I hope your not a Blackhawks fan, if you are stay away from sharp objects, and bridges.

Their effort tonight looks less than stellar. Is this the official return of coma ball?

Plus all the baserunners he allows. JB is a vendor's dream.

JB would be perfect taking over the Billy Botch and Rick White role of getting lit up all the time.Schoenweis, although he's trying real hard, can't do it all himself.

I'm for giving your team the best chance to win. Hopefully, Cotts will pitch a great game, I'm just saying the odds are against it.

And Foulke didn't learn that in the Sox minor league system. Buerhle fools people however.The White Sox are too hung up on the speed gun as an organization. You would think Buerhle's success would altar their thinking at least a little bit.

If its nerves that caused his wildness, and I don't believe thats the case, he did start out well, then why can we be expected to believe that he won't have his stomach in knots when he pitches to ARod , Palmiero, etc. The Rangers have an awesome line up. I believe Cotts will be effective in time, but he is not ready. Even his staunchous backers are saying except for a couple of instances, rookies aren't that effective. Starting him now is a move of desperation if you ask me. He should be pitching right now when his performance will not affect the outcome of the game i.e. a mop up role, until he gets himself comfortable on the major league level. The Sox need to win, not experiment. I hope my rambling means he'll throw a no hitter.

The Chief is Mark Salas, bullpen catcher extrodanaire. He had Mansoo's job right before the Korean Babe Ruth.

bring back the Chief

A guy at work has a TV and was watching the Cub game this afternoon. When Rick White came in for Houston he called me and told me to come in. After White hit 2 batters and walked 1, Stone said "evidently Jimy Williams hasn't had a chance to talk to White about his role yet" Rick White = sox fans biggest nightmare. Kills the Sox and helps the Cubs win.

This probably means Gordon will be unavailable tomorrow if we need him.

This is what I don't understand about JM. Marte just blows away Spezio batting righhanded, yet he still goes to Gordon. Somebody should handcuff him to the bench.

Back in I believe 1999, when the Sox were looking for yet another cheap catcher, they traded for Fordyce. Sweeney was a catcher back then, Schueler decided not to trade for him. He was offered to the Sox for a song.

Grady Hall, Hawk's #1 draft pick out of Northwestern, would look real good as a #5 starter.

Schoenweis has had 2 bad outings, after his first one people were all over him.Like I said before I thought the F-Cotts thread was out of line, and I don't agree with it, but there are a lot of posts on this board that I think are out of line, there are posters on here who call people names all the time. Yet no stink is put up about them.

I believe the topic was overboard and better judgement should have been used. But not because he posts here. Your right, if it were me I probably would not post here again. My point is that there is a f*** Koch, f*** Manuel, f*** Reinsdorf, f*** KW. If someone wants a f*** Cotts, although I don't agree, it shouldn't be changed just because he posts here.