Dick Allen

Yes you have to figure it’s a lock the Sox will agree to a contract 5 or 6 times the size of the biggest contract they have ever handed out. And agree to that contract with one Scott Boras, because who doesn’t want to play for a team coming off a 100 loss season, with 6 losing seasons in a row, that is virtually ignored in its own city.

“Unless Avi Garcia comes to the White Sox and says he will play for $3 million or some other ridiculously team friendly amount, there is no way he is not getting non tendered.” Phil Rogers just now os STL If you were Avi Garcia’s agent and the Sox offered $4.5 million would you A. Call the lawyers and file a grievance B. Advise Avi that signing it is probably his best bet C. Advise Avi he will do better on the open market

If you notice, he knows he is being ridiculous just like when he agreed Machado actually hustling would probably get him injured. But he is too far down the road, and can't admit he's wrong, so he gets more ridiculous.

Craig Stammen made $2.25 million in 2015. Had surgery and was non tendered by Washington. San Diego signed him to a $900k contract. Just think how awful it would have been had the Nats offered him $1.5 million and gave him a 33% cut. Lawyer up. Grievance time.

Because most of those guys are making near minimum anyway. Avi and Schoop are in a pretty unique situation.

So you are saying his agent and the union would rather the team offer nothing than something they may deem to be market appropriate. The team has no obligation to offer him anything. There is nothing illegal about offering him a contract as long as it is minimum. There isn't a gun to his head. He becomes a free agent if he doesn't like the deal. Lawyers paid up. That's a good one.

So the White Sox say, Avi, sign this contract for $4 million or become a free agent. And you are saying that is grounds for a grievance. Ridiculous. And here I thought all along players loved free agency.

Notice how that says arbitration. Signiing a lesser contract or being non tendered avoids arbitration. Avi can sign for the minimum today if he wished. But keep your ridiculous argument up.

Your argument makes no sense. But you can say you won if it makes you feel better.

They weren't non tender guy. Here's one about a Braves pitcher last year. Notice what his arb was projected at, and what he signed for. And Bryant's grievance went nowhere fast. Braves catcher Anthony Recker (left) chats with pitcher Mike Foltynewicz. Recker signed a one-year, $800,000 contract Friday, avoiding arbitration. (Curtis Compton /[email protected]) Braves sign Recker and Rodriguez, make Withrow non-tendered free agent Dec 02, 2016 By David O'Brien, The Atlanta Journal-Constitution Share on Facebook Share on Twitter ... More The Braves signed catcher Anthony Recker and left-handed reliever Paco Rodriguez to one-year contracts Friday, avoiding arbitration with each, while reliever Chris Withrow became a non-tendered free agent when he wasn’t offered arbitration. Recker got an $800,000 contract, and Rodriguez signed for $637,500, each taking less than their projected arbitration salaries. ADVERTISING n the case of Rodriguez, who missed the 2016 season recovering from elbow surgery, he was projected to get $900,000 through arbitration, and it seemed likely the Braves would’ve non-tendered him rather than go through the arbitration process and potentially pay that much.

Since you wanted examples, can you show me some of these? Give it a rest. if no one wants to pay a guy his arb figure but he wants to stay with the team. why couldn't he agree to something less? The union would rather have him unemployed? Avi can say no and he is just non tendered which is what would happen if the Sox couldn't negotiate with him. So what exactly is the harm to the player? Your argument makes no sense.

See above. This argument is OVA!!!!

By Tim Dierkes | November 13, 2018 at 3:08pm CDT More than 200 players are eligible for salary arbitration this offseason, and the deadline to tender each of these players a contract for the 2019 season is November 30th. That also represents the deadline to inform arbitration eligible players whether they will receive a (non-guaranteed) contract, or else become free agents. The two parties will have another roughly two months to work out salaries before arbitration hearings (if necessary) kick off in February. As we do each year at MLBTR, we’re providing a list of players whose teams could potentially elect not to tender them a contract, thus sending them into the free-agent pool earlier than expected. It should be emphasized that we’re not indicating that each of these players is likely to be non-tendered (though that’s certainly the case with some of them). Typically, we list any player for which we can envision at least atr ar 10-20 percent chance of a non-tender. It should be noted that many of the borderline non-tender candidates below will be traded this month rather than simply cut loose. Other borderline candidates may be presented with an offer that is notably lower than their projections and could accept the “take it or leave it” ultimatum rather than being non-tendered. For a full list of each team’s arb-eligible players, you can check out M

I have no idea, but what does it matter? Here's something about Rich Hill and the Red Sox from several years ago. If Avi got non tendered, would you be OK with the Sox re-signing him in February for scraps if he couldn't find a team? I don't see any argument here. If he doesn't like the Sox offer, he gets non tendered. Your way, he gets non tendered. The only difference is offering him a lesser contract gives him at least one more choice. Finally, the Sox did not tender reliever Rich Hill, who underwent Tommy John surgery last June and isn't expected to be ready until midseason. The Sox are free to continue negotiating with Hill - and, according to a baseball source, are interested in doing so -- but he is now officially a free agent. Had the Sox tendered him a deal, he would have been eligible for salary arbitration despite being unable to pitch for at least half the season. Players who go through the arbitration process are virtually guaranteed to make at least what they made the previous year and the Sox didn't want to run that risk with Hill.

So you think it's anti player to negotiate a contract below the 20% if the end result if he didn't agree to it was exactly the same? Here's a couple of Brewers from last year. Look where it said Vogt most likely avoided a non tender. Where's the grievance? Stephen Vogt had trouble sleeping Thursday night, but it was the good kind of insomnia. The kind that comes with agreeing to a new contract. The veteran catcher agreed to a $3.065 million deal with the Milwaukee Brewers for 2018, avoiding salary arbitration. And, in all likelihood, avoiding being non-tendered a contract. The Brewers and reliever Jeremy Jeffress also avoided arbitration Friday by agreeing to a one-year deal with two club options that could keep him in Milwaukee for three more seasons. Jeffress received a $1.7 million salary for 2018 and a $50,000 signing bonus, with club options for $3.175 million in 2019 and $4.3 million in 2020. He can earn an additional $2.2 million in incentives each season for innings pitched and games finished.

You can google avoid arbitration and you will find hundreds. Here is one on the White Sox guys last year. Notice this line: The White Sox haven’t gone to arbitration with a player since 2001, when they did so with relieve Keith Foulke. Garcia and Sanchez can continue negotiating a deal with the team in the coming weeks. https://chicago.cbslocal.com/2018/01/12/white-sox-avoid-arbitration-with-4-players-still-have-2-unsigned/ The fact of the matter is, an arbitration contract is not guaranteed.

No it's not. Guys sign contracts while arb eligible all the time. If anything you may be doing him a favor by giving him an option to stay. If he doesn't like the offer, he's non tendered, like if they didn't offer him arb or anything. For all he would know, no other team may offer him what the White Sox offered him. Moustakis got $6.5 million last year. Who is more valuable?

What would be the argument ?

There is no reason the White Sox should offer Avi arbitration. Offer him something less if they want to keep him. If he refuses, good luck. There is no way he gets anything close to $8 million if they let him go.

That makes a little more sense from a Mariner's perspective. To give up Diaz for Cano's money would be the ultimate in ownership cheapness.

As I stated, I draw the line at wife beaters. Child molestors as well. I know they probably all have faults, just like all of us, that most do not know, but beating women is a huge character flaw. Add that to the fact he hasn't outplayed Yolmer Sanchez the last couple of seasons, and the answer whether he is worth the trouble is pretty easy.

The fact is, Avi is a free agent in a year. If he is an absolute must, you can always bring him back. His arb number is too high for his past production. Except for 1 season, he is a replacement level player, who always has something wrong with his legs. That usually doesn't improve as you get older. No one is going to give you anything for him. Spend the money elsewhere. I like the guy, and agree he has a lot of potential, but it's time.

The issue with Avi is you give him $8 million for 2019. If he plays like he did in 2017, do you then give him $100 million? $8 million is a pretty high price to pay for a flip that won't yield much return. And he really isn't a guy who has earned a long term commitment.

Cubs filled their 40 today. May be waiver time again.

Avi has some talent, and he plays hard, but except for 2017, he has been a replacement level player. There is a slight chance he turns into a JD Martinez sized mistake, but it is time to say good bye, and I have been one of his biggest supporters. But like fathom said, replace him with something that may be useful. Not the rebuild position fillers.