Dick Allen

QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Mar 18, 2016 -> 12:33 PM) Wouldn't surprise me. Well Sale is complaining the loudest. I don't think KW has it in him to hold back if he was the one who went to him.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Mar 18, 2016 -> 12:26 PM) Come on man, you know that's way off. It's not about KW, it's about whether or not you should publicly denounce your own boss. It's about dissension within a team. I think it would be much worse if he was going after Robin. KW is too far removed. A poster yesterday knew an ex player or someone who knew an ex player and he said everyone hated KW. So it's really not a big deal. All those who want the Sox to trade Chris Sale now will be creaming over him in June if he is leading the league in ERA and strikeouts. It will be like this never happened.

QUOTE (shysocks @ Mar 18, 2016 -> 12:23 PM) What a completely stupid point. The difference between somebody on this message board sounding off on KW and a player on the White Sox doing it to the media is wider than the Grand Canyon. The point being those who rip KW constantly are now ripping Chris Sale because he is ripping KW. It's right on point.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Mar 18, 2016 -> 12:21 PM) I just wish this never happened. It's like going to the dentist. It hurts now, but in a week or so, the Sox will be fine and will theoretically have $13 million to play with.

QUOTE (fathom @ Mar 18, 2016 -> 12:17 PM) Oh come on...he's not our superior No but he's also not doing anything this board wouldn't be doing if it was a player we liked as much as he apparently like LaRoche.

So Sale is now an idiot for firing on KW, something this board does with regularity when a player acquisition doesn't work out.

QUOTE (DrunkBomber @ Mar 18, 2016 -> 11:55 AM) Well Eaton said he was told by LaRoche that it was in the contract so there would be no need for a hand shake deal. If it isnt in the contract that means either Eaton or LaRoche is lying(likely LaRoche) so why should we believe him if he said there was a handshake deal after that? See what Hahn and Robin say. They have been awfully quiet. Doesn't Hahn negotiate contracts? It's funny you are trying to nail me into a wall. What if it is in his contract? Are you going to admit KW was out of bounds?

QUOTE (pittshoganerkoff @ Mar 18, 2016 -> 11:54 AM) WE wanted him to quit. I'm saying he quit on his teammates, and they're backing him and his decision. And yes, he is a quitter. He chose his family over his job. It happens. It isn't Michael Jordan "retiring" so he can go drive his kids around. This guy actually walks the walk and talks the talk when it comes to his kids.

QUOTE (DrunkBomber @ Mar 18, 2016 -> 11:48 AM) If it turns out it isnt in his contract, since Eaton now claims it is, are you going to admit LaRoche is wrong here? If it isn't in the contract, and there was no handshake agreement, absolutely.

QUOTE (pittshoganerkoff @ Mar 18, 2016 -> 11:41 AM) JR needs to tell the players to stop the b****ing and get to work. And do any of these players care that their teammate quit on them? Granted he was pretty useless, but still, he quit on them. For the love of God, stop with the he quit on them. It is exactly what 99.99% of this board wanted him to do all winter. Now he's a quitter. Seriously?

QUOTE (bmags @ Mar 18, 2016 -> 11:39 AM) If KW did lie about Rollins/Avila going to him, then he does need to be fired. But, I doubt he did. Chris needs to stop being a child. I don't think he should be fired for that, but if it is in LaRoche's contract, IMO, that is an offense where he needs to go. Messing with obligations with player contracts, whether financial or otherwise, would be a gigantic problem.

QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Mar 18, 2016 -> 11:23 AM) Amazing how people respond to a fellow who stand up for himself and what he believes in rather than roll over That is because of his numbers both on the field and on his check.

If Eaton is the player rep, his being out in front makes a lot of sense, whether you agree with what he says or not.

QUOTE (LDF @ Mar 18, 2016 -> 11:12 AM) 24/7 total access???? He didn't have total access. Here is a story about him from last June. Even Conor Gillaspie likes the kid. It stated there were times his access was limited. http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseb...0620-story.html

QUOTE (fathom @ Mar 18, 2016 -> 11:07 AM) Which creates even more issues in the clubhouse. So if some players complained, you don't think guys like Sale have any idea they did? It would seem to me he would think there were some snakes in the room who go crying to KW anytime they feel like they need to. I think this whole thing would have been better served if the guys who had a problem, if there are guys who had a problem aired it out with LaRoche and the rest of the team. Part of this s*** storm is KW not being in the clubhouse much making clubhouse decisions.

QUOTE (shakes @ Mar 18, 2016 -> 11:05 AM) And you have railed on people for speculation. You are like a cartoon character, right now. What? I asked what he meant, fathom said he had a guess. I told him it seemed like a good guess, but I have no idea. Buzz off.

QUOTE (fathom @ Mar 18, 2016 -> 11:05 AM) Next thing we'll hear is Sale saying if players had an issue, they should have addressed it and not gone to Kenny To that, I 100% agree.

QUOTE (fathom @ Mar 18, 2016 -> 11:01 AM) Quick guess is KW told the clubhouse LaRoche didn't have an agreement with the club prior to signing a contract about Drake's access Seems like a good guess.

To what is Sale referring twhen he said they were lied to? As to the trade Sale. LMAO.

QUOTE (Black_Jack29 @ Mar 18, 2016 -> 10:53 AM) Quitting your job because your boss won't allow your kid to come to work with you every day qualifies as a temper tantrum. You might want to look up the real definition of temper tantrum.

QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Mar 18, 2016 -> 10:49 AM) What is he supposed to say? He's going to be ridiculed and criticized like crazy with whatever opinion he might have. He can't win. He's going to be painted as the bad guy no matter what. I do agree he can't win, but I don't think he will look like the bad guy. He eventually will have to say something. They probably are working on something for him to say that doesn't make him look like KW's prop.

QUOTE (Black_Jack29 @ Mar 18, 2016 -> 10:47 AM) Yeah, JR plays hardball when it comes to money. Players also routinely cheat on their wives. Melky tested positive for steroids before joining the Sox. Baseball executives and players aren't known for their moral behavior. The Sox let Drake LaRoche become omnipresent in the clubhouse last year, and then decided to change their policy this year because at least one player complained about it. That doesn't even begin to compare to the depraved crap that goes on every day in MLB. And it's not like they're singling out LaRoche's kid or completely shutting off his access. The fact that LaRoche would throw a temper-tantrum over a clubhouse rule change, allow his teenage kid to be the subject of a media feeding frenzy, and allow snide remarks about the Sox to be published via his company's Twitter account tells me that he's not as super-moralistic as he thinks he is. I missed the fact that LaRoche threw a temper-tantrum. Do you have a link, or are you just making up things and calling them facts?

Hahn probably doesn't want to answer the question about the handshake agreement and how a year later KW overruled him.

QUOTE (shakes @ Mar 18, 2016 -> 10:35 AM) There are 1700 posts in the thread. And not one of them shows me a source that says his son was to have 100% access, and it was an unflinching agreement, regardless of an ever changing environment. The only evidence I have seen is it being confirmed that this is not a stipulation in his written contract, because it is an absurd request, and if it was that important to him, I'm talking retire from one of the most lucrative and sought after jobs in the world important, it should have been in his contract. http://chicago.suntimes.com/sports/laroche...te-sox-ventura/ Wouldn't the fact the kid had his own locker and uniform be an indication as well?

QUOTE (Hatchetman @ Mar 18, 2016 -> 10:38 AM) The kid has his own locker at home and on the road, with his own name on it. I'm on the side of: there was a verbal agreement of some sort. In the business world, your word is good as gold. Companies that break verbal promises don't survive long. He should have never been allowed in in the first place. Of course there was. He even has his own uniform hanging.