Dick Allen

QUOTE (LDF @ Feb 28, 2016 -> 06:07 PM) and i still think this draft, esp with the sox projecting to keep their comp pick, will have some surprise players at #27 or 26. i am really excited on the draft side this yr. this draft if deep, if no one gets hurt. There definitely will be someone who will have a great career available.

QUOTE (LDF @ Feb 28, 2016 -> 06:01 PM) i don't know how i missed this .... great work in assembling the list. the thing is, every yr the draft is different, and on top of that, 1 draft may be deeper with prospects players, the other yr not so deep. plus many players are signing there contracts the first time around. well the point is, i see the draft starting to get more overall quality ..... or it could be that this and last yr has me a not observing the talent as much. Every draft is different, but this is over 30 of them and not much luck at 27. The good news is the Sox are now at 26 and it is a little better.

Merkin doesn't think Jackson is in the plans.

I find it hard to believe David Freese is still looking for work with the shortage of 3B in the league. He is not the greatest but has put up over a 2.0 WAR the last couple of years. His price has to be pretty reasonable at this point.

BTW one of the comps for Sale in BP is Sam McDowell. Hawk is happy.

Jackson has put up 5.5 WAR higher in his career than Fowler in about 100 less PA. He is younger. The difference being Fowler gets most of his offensively, Jackson, at least the last couple of seasons, defensively. Eaton said today he will be ready by opening day, but the Sox could use a guy who can play CF. no QO attached. It comes down to price. He obviously wants more than $6 million. He Probably wants more than $12 million at this point. it appears the Sox were willing to go around $10 million a year for Fowler if Bruce's report is accurate. This has to be the play, doesn't it? I guess it will all come down to when Boras feels there is no chance at the money he is looking for.

How many teams have traded prospects this offseason for 3-4 WAR players?

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Feb 28, 2016 -> 02:33 PM) Except it's a little bit late for that philosophy change after addressing quite a few of the issues on the major league roster...and also not having the position player depth (other than Anderson) to realistically fill those remaining holes over the next two seasons. At that time, we'll have to fill even more holes without buying free agents at the highest prices and/or running into budget limitations. Funny how you were against giving up,draft picks and anything more than 3 year contracts earlier this offseason. Of course that is when everyone assumed Gordon to the White Sox was likely. Wanted to wait until June to sign Desmond. Wanted to give Latos $10-12 million, wanted to give Parra $8 million, even though he hasn't shown he can hit in the AL, and wanted no part of Fowler and the draft pick, pointing out without realizing he has spent a season in the AL, that he would be a good candidate not to be able to adjust.

Unless Curry gets hurt, who is going to beat GS 4 times? This season is ova! The only drama is whether or not they get the record.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Feb 28, 2016 -> 09:51 AM) Nice value signing for the Rangers. If Desmond has a good year in 2016, they'll get that pick back in the following year's draft. I'm ok with the Sox passing on this deal, but this makes it even more important to land a guy like Austin Jackson at bare minimum. I see the price tag, I get a little jealous. If he shows he can play the OF with any competence, and you never know, Alex Gordon was an infielder made outfielder that turned to gold, Hanley Ramirez not so much, he is probably a steal. I think it is worth the $8 million and draft pick to find out unless you have something else, which seems like they do. But every passing day makes you wonder. They will get somebody. I just hope they get the guy who is their target now. It may be they have to wait for roster shakedowns and wind up getting a less talented player.

If the Sox could have got him for 1/$8 million, I think that would have been worth the draft pick. So he turns down $107 million. Turns down the $15.8 million QO, and gets $8 million. Yet another player who needs a new agent. I hope his agent is decent enough not to take a commission. Scott Boras got Ian Kennedy $70 million. I think Ian needs his number.

QUOTE (soxfan85 @ Feb 28, 2016 -> 08:49 AM) Another one bites the dust. Cheap organization, man. Absolutely ridiculous. Go Avi... There are several ways to look at this. Desmond might thrive, but his offense has gone down 3 years in a row. He is changing leagues. He has about 5 weeks to learn the OF. And he would have cost a draft pick for one season. OTOH, his bat is potentially the biggest impact left on the market. I just think he is worth more as a SS than OF. Of course, he could have been nice insurance if Rollins can't play anymore, Saladino can't hit enough to play, and Anderson not being ready. I am all for giving up the pick, but for one year makes it tough. It is no longer a bargain signing. Assuming you are OK at SS, if the Sox need an OF, I would rather they get a guy who has been there. Desmond may be fine, but right now you can't be sure.

Does this move them to 26? There have been some good players picked at 26 including Alan Trammell 40 years ago. this is going to be interesting as Desmond will be a LF. He did go to a good park to put up some numbers.

QUOTE (LDF @ Feb 28, 2016 -> 07:13 AM) and how many failed, by failed, i mean help the sox get to the playoff, how many times the sox had a chance to pick up a viable fa, only to go the reclamation route. how many times did that worked, better yet, help get this team to the playoff. Who should the Sox have signed this offseason, and how much should their limit have been to pay them?

QUOTE (Thad Bosley @ Feb 27, 2016 -> 10:00 PM) LMAO! Yes.LMAO. Your post from last year was dug up for all to see. The whiner got exposed.

QUOTE (Thad Bosley @ Feb 27, 2016 -> 09:33 PM) Ah, so you admit that throwing money at second tier free agents such as the contracts given Cabrera and LaRoche were mistakes by Hahn. It appears you are right about that. Hindsight is a beautiful thing. Without it, you like LaRoche, were hoping they would spend even more on Matt Kemp, and thought Abreu, Kemp, LaRoche, and Avi made a nice middle of the line up. Your complaining and constant critiquing is a joke. If they listened to you, the payroll would be higher and the team worse.

QUOTE (whitesoxfan99 @ Feb 27, 2016 -> 05:25 PM) Rose out again tonight. He will be back when he is feeling 110%. They don't need him. Moore's PER is almost 7.

QUOTE (midway @ Feb 27, 2016 -> 01:31 PM) Was Taj Gibson's Father a carpenter? If so it would explain why he catches every entry pass like his hands are made of wood. Just once catch the damn ball cleanly, take the ball strong to the hoop. I'm so sick of watching him bobble the entry pass, take a couple of dribbles then have his shot blocked....wtf!!!! Do you know why the lady had a wooden baby? A carpenter nailed her.

QUOTE (Thad Bosley @ Feb 27, 2016 -> 12:42 PM) You mean like the money we spent on LaRoche and Cabrera right now that could have been spent on one of the premium OFs in free agent this offseason? Yes. But you seem OK with repeating it. Why don't you tell us what you would have authorized this offseason if you owned the team Then you will be able to brag about it later. Edit, I saw last year's post when you didn't seem too opposed to LaRoche, and seemed excited about Avi, and Matt Kemp, LMAO.

QUOTE (Thad Bosley @ Feb 27, 2016 -> 12:20 PM) Lol - I didn't say we were cheap. Those are your words, not mine. I'm just pointing out the fallacy of suggestions the Sox are operating under "limited resources" at the moment. They are not, not by a long shot. How much Is available? I agree they have some money to spend but that doesn't mean you spend it all. It has to make sense. Does giving Cespedes $30 million for 2016 and the option to walk away if he is good after one season , or be stuck paying him big money if he is a flop make sense? Does giving Alex Gordon at his age $100 million make sense? How how should they go with Fowler before it makes no sense? Sometimes spending money makes you money. Sometimes spending it foolishly means you won't have it when you need it.

QUOTE (JohnCangelosi @ Feb 27, 2016 -> 08:23 AM) I'm surprised that probably 80% of this board wants to throw Avi out with the bath water now, when he's only in his age 24-25 season. Guys like Carlos Gomez or Aaron Rowand come to mind as guys who didn't develop until age 26 or 27. I realize we have a limited time to contend here and we should be trying to win now, but still, maybe management is gambling he can have a rebound season and put up some decent numbers. There's no guarantee any of the FA or trade options left are going to produce more than Avi this year, I suspect. I agree he can improve, but he needs to improve immensely as a offensive player, or pretty significantly offensively defensively, running the bases, to be a useful player. It can happen, but so far, experience doesn't seem to be an answer. If anything he appears to be going backwards or maintaining in most areas the more he plays. Maybe this new stance shakes things up. Maybe he figures out how to run down fly balls, and judge line drives, maybe he doesn't run into as many easy outs in the bases. But if you truly are going for it, there are too many maybes there. If they bring someone else in and Avi develops like we hope, they will find a spot for him. Guys who can play always play. It is pretty crazy to think the White Sox could possibly be good enough not to have room for a productive player. It is just that Avi needs to show that is what he is,

QUOTE (ChicagoHeel @ Feb 27, 2016 -> 12:51 AM) @mibeltrodriguez Developing: The #WhiteSox are back on SS Ian Desmond #MLB #Sox Wtf!? QUOTE (Chilihead90 @ Feb 27, 2016 -> 02:02 AM) For what? LF? I mean, I guess getting Rollins doesn't really block anyone since it was a minor league deal, but I can't imagine Jimmy would be happy whatsoever if this were to happy. He would have essentially been to lied to. It is Milbelt. What I don't understand is some of the sympathy Desmond is getting from many writers. They guy turned down$107 million, then after having a bad year, turned down the QO., thus knowing he would have this pick attached, and how it has hurt previous free agents. Sorry Ian, you need a new agent.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Feb 26, 2016 -> 06:35 PM) Duquette was outspoken about never giving opt-outs. I guess that can end up as another Sox "line in the sand" that makes it seem they're in on players and making legitimate offers when realistically the new market will leave the Sox and Orioles behind...unless they give out insane long-term deals like the Chris Davis one. One wonders why Casey Close even bothered, being as smart as he is, although obviously it ended up pushing the Cubs to finally make an offer. Casey Close's advice cost his client almost $3 million. As for opt outs, the White Sox were one of the first teams ever to give an opt out. It worked out great for them when Albert Belle opted out. I think the issue is giving up the draft pick and giving an opt out after one season. I would image many more teams would be willing to give an opt out after one year if there was no draft pick compensation involved, I have never read the White Sox would not ever give one. Considering they already have, to assume it would be silly.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Feb 26, 2016 -> 09:14 AM) I believe General Soreness is the plan moving forward. It sounds like the Bulls will happily have Derrick sit out 1/5 games. If that's the plan to return him to 75% of what he once was, I'm fine with it. I'd take 65 games of that over 75+ of the human garbage we watched the first 3/5 of the season. Which is fine as long as there is some solid logic picking the games he is "sore". When he sat and got the name, not being on the injury report, Butler being out, and the Bulls reeling, a bad time to sit, especially with the All Star break right around the corner.

Here's a list of #27 overall picks. I don't have the last 2, but I think I would trade every single one of them for Dexter Fowler. Porcello could be an exception. The White Sox are really going to have to buck a trend to get impact here, although I do admit, there will be some available: 27th Overall MLB Draft Picks Year Player Pos. Drafted From Drafted By 2013 Phil Ervin OF Samford Cincinnati Reds 2012 Clint Coulter C Union HS (WA) Milwaukee Brewers 2011 Robert Stephenson RHP Alhambra HS (CA) Cincinnati Reds 2010 Jesse Biddle LHP Germantown Frieds HS (PA) Philadelphia Phillies 2009 Michael Franklin SS Lake Brantley HS (Fla.) Seattle Mariners 2008 Carlos Gutierrez RHP University of Miami (Fla.) Minnesota Twins 2007 Rick Porcello RHP Seton Hall (N.J.)Prep Detroit Tigers 2006 Jason Place OF Wren HS Boston Red Sox 2005 Joseph Devine RHP North Carolina St. Atlanta Braves 2004 Taylor Tankersley LHP U Alabama (AL) Florida Marlins 2003 Eric Duncan 3B Seton Hall Prep School (NJ) New York Yankees 2002 Sergio Santos SS Mater Dei HS (CA) Arizona Diamondbacks 2001 Alan Horne P Marianna HS (FL) Cleveland Indians 2000 Robert Stiehl P El Camino College Houston Astros 1999 David Walling P University of Arkansas New York Yankees 1998 Chip Ambres OF West Brook HS (TX) Florida Marlins 1997 Kevin Nicholson SS Stetson University San Diego Padres 1996 A.J. Zapp 1B Center Grove HS (IN) Atlanta Braves 1995 Shea Morenz OF University of Texas New York Yankees 1994 Jacob Shumate P Hartsville HS (SC) Atlanta Braves 1993 Marc Valdes P University of Florida Florida Marlins 1992 John Burke P University of Florida Colorado Rockies 1991 Scott Stahoviak 3B-1B Creighton University Minnesota Twins 1990 Mike Zimmerman P University of South Alabama Pittsburgh Pirates 1989 Todd Jones P Jacksonville State University Houston Astros 1988 Jeff Mutis P Lafayette University Cleveland Indians 1987 Pete Harnisch P Fordham University Baltimore Orioles 1986 Mike Fetters P Pepperdine University California Angels 1985 Bill McGuire C University of Nebraska Seattle Mariners 1984 Gary Green SS Oklahoma State University San Diego Padres 1983 Calvin Schiraldi P University of Texas New York Mets 1982 Stan Boderick OF Robinson HS (Tampa,FL) Chicago Cubs 1981 Kevin Dukes P Arizona State University Seattle Mariners 1980 Jay Tibbs P Huffman HS (AL) New York Mets