Dick Allen

So Sale is now an idiot for firing on KW, something this board does with regularity when a player acquisition doesn't work out.

QUOTE (DrunkBomber @ Mar 18, 2016 -> 11:55 AM) Well Eaton said he was told by LaRoche that it was in the contract so there would be no need for a hand shake deal. If it isnt in the contract that means either Eaton or LaRoche is lying(likely LaRoche) so why should we believe him if he said there was a handshake deal after that? See what Hahn and Robin say. They have been awfully quiet. Doesn't Hahn negotiate contracts? It's funny you are trying to nail me into a wall. What if it is in his contract? Are you going to admit KW was out of bounds?

QUOTE (pittshoganerkoff @ Mar 18, 2016 -> 11:54 AM) WE wanted him to quit. I'm saying he quit on his teammates, and they're backing him and his decision. And yes, he is a quitter. He chose his family over his job. It happens. It isn't Michael Jordan "retiring" so he can go drive his kids around. This guy actually walks the walk and talks the talk when it comes to his kids.

QUOTE (DrunkBomber @ Mar 18, 2016 -> 11:48 AM) If it turns out it isnt in his contract, since Eaton now claims it is, are you going to admit LaRoche is wrong here? If it isn't in the contract, and there was no handshake agreement, absolutely.

QUOTE (pittshoganerkoff @ Mar 18, 2016 -> 11:41 AM) JR needs to tell the players to stop the b****ing and get to work. And do any of these players care that their teammate quit on them? Granted he was pretty useless, but still, he quit on them. For the love of God, stop with the he quit on them. It is exactly what 99.99% of this board wanted him to do all winter. Now he's a quitter. Seriously?

QUOTE (bmags @ Mar 18, 2016 -> 11:39 AM) If KW did lie about Rollins/Avila going to him, then he does need to be fired. But, I doubt he did. Chris needs to stop being a child. I don't think he should be fired for that, but if it is in LaRoche's contract, IMO, that is an offense where he needs to go. Messing with obligations with player contracts, whether financial or otherwise, would be a gigantic problem.

QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Mar 18, 2016 -> 11:23 AM) Amazing how people respond to a fellow who stand up for himself and what he believes in rather than roll over That is because of his numbers both on the field and on his check.

If Eaton is the player rep, his being out in front makes a lot of sense, whether you agree with what he says or not.

QUOTE (LDF @ Mar 18, 2016 -> 11:12 AM) 24/7 total access???? He didn't have total access. Here is a story about him from last June. Even Conor Gillaspie likes the kid. It stated there were times his access was limited. http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseb...0620-story.html

QUOTE (fathom @ Mar 18, 2016 -> 11:07 AM) Which creates even more issues in the clubhouse. So if some players complained, you don't think guys like Sale have any idea they did? It would seem to me he would think there were some snakes in the room who go crying to KW anytime they feel like they need to. I think this whole thing would have been better served if the guys who had a problem, if there are guys who had a problem aired it out with LaRoche and the rest of the team. Part of this s*** storm is KW not being in the clubhouse much making clubhouse decisions.

QUOTE (shakes @ Mar 18, 2016 -> 11:05 AM) And you have railed on people for speculation. You are like a cartoon character, right now. What? I asked what he meant, fathom said he had a guess. I told him it seemed like a good guess, but I have no idea. Buzz off.

QUOTE (fathom @ Mar 18, 2016 -> 11:05 AM) Next thing we'll hear is Sale saying if players had an issue, they should have addressed it and not gone to Kenny To that, I 100% agree.

QUOTE (fathom @ Mar 18, 2016 -> 11:01 AM) Quick guess is KW told the clubhouse LaRoche didn't have an agreement with the club prior to signing a contract about Drake's access Seems like a good guess.

To what is Sale referring twhen he said they were lied to? As to the trade Sale. LMAO.

QUOTE (Black_Jack29 @ Mar 18, 2016 -> 10:53 AM) Quitting your job because your boss won't allow your kid to come to work with you every day qualifies as a temper tantrum. You might want to look up the real definition of temper tantrum.

QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Mar 18, 2016 -> 10:49 AM) What is he supposed to say? He's going to be ridiculed and criticized like crazy with whatever opinion he might have. He can't win. He's going to be painted as the bad guy no matter what. I do agree he can't win, but I don't think he will look like the bad guy. He eventually will have to say something. They probably are working on something for him to say that doesn't make him look like KW's prop.

QUOTE (Black_Jack29 @ Mar 18, 2016 -> 10:47 AM) Yeah, JR plays hardball when it comes to money. Players also routinely cheat on their wives. Melky tested positive for steroids before joining the Sox. Baseball executives and players aren't known for their moral behavior. The Sox let Drake LaRoche become omnipresent in the clubhouse last year, and then decided to change their policy this year because at least one player complained about it. That doesn't even begin to compare to the depraved crap that goes on every day in MLB. And it's not like they're singling out LaRoche's kid or completely shutting off his access. The fact that LaRoche would throw a temper-tantrum over a clubhouse rule change, allow his teenage kid to be the subject of a media feeding frenzy, and allow snide remarks about the Sox to be published via his company's Twitter account tells me that he's not as super-moralistic as he thinks he is. I missed the fact that LaRoche threw a temper-tantrum. Do you have a link, or are you just making up things and calling them facts?

Hahn probably doesn't want to answer the question about the handshake agreement and how a year later KW overruled him.

QUOTE (shakes @ Mar 18, 2016 -> 10:35 AM) There are 1700 posts in the thread. And not one of them shows me a source that says his son was to have 100% access, and it was an unflinching agreement, regardless of an ever changing environment. The only evidence I have seen is it being confirmed that this is not a stipulation in his written contract, because it is an absurd request, and if it was that important to him, I'm talking retire from one of the most lucrative and sought after jobs in the world important, it should have been in his contract. http://chicago.suntimes.com/sports/laroche...te-sox-ventura/ Wouldn't the fact the kid had his own locker and uniform be an indication as well?

QUOTE (Hatchetman @ Mar 18, 2016 -> 10:38 AM) The kid has his own locker at home and on the road, with his own name on it. I'm on the side of: there was a verbal agreement of some sort. In the business world, your word is good as gold. Companies that break verbal promises don't survive long. He should have never been allowed in in the first place. Of course there was. He even has his own uniform hanging.

QUOTE (Black_Jack29 @ Mar 18, 2016 -> 10:31 AM) There's a huge difference between a written, legally binding contract and an off-the-record gentleman's agreement that may or may not have been made. Maybe legally, but not morally. JR held a press conference after Horace Grant went back on a verbal agreement. He said he lacked character.

QUOTE (shakes @ Mar 18, 2016 -> 10:29 AM) Link them The link is in this thread.

QUOTE (shakes @ Mar 18, 2016 -> 10:26 AM) Again, your whole argument revolves around a hypothetical agreement, you nor anyone else can confirm, that would have given LaRoche a privilege nobody in the history of the sport has ever gotten, and seemingly everyone agrees nobody should have. You say this but more and more people are reporting it. The Sun Times beat writer is the latest.

QUOTE (shysocks @ Mar 18, 2016 -> 10:23 AM) We get that. What about the fact that it was LaRoche who walked away when asked to compromise? He did the team a favor. But he shouldn't have to compromise. Why don't the Sox compromise with Chris Sale and rip up his contract and give him one he deserves? You make an agreement, whether you like it, love it, or hate it in a year or so, you made the agreement. If you don't have your word............

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Mar 18, 2016 -> 10:18 AM) Duquette and Bowden both said on MLB radio this morning that LaRoche's stance is absolutely ridiculous and there is absolutely no place for a kid to be around the lockeroom all the time. During the show prior to Duquette and Bowden the stances were nearly identical and even alluded to the fact that in Washington, where LaRoche's son was allowed to be on the stadium most of the time, the lockeroom was off limits for kids after BP, so basically there was a family time for players and there kids and business time. The earlier show (can't remember who the hosts were) did mention that LaRoche's camp seems to be reporting that Ventura / Hahn used it as a marketing ploy to get Adam to sign with the club though, that said, they all felt that it was absolutely absurd to have in the clubhouse and that the Sox shouldn't have made any direct statements to that like (because reality is clubhouse dynamics change). Boone was on ESPN and had a similar stance as the above, except he went one farther saying he knew that there were rules when him and his brother were around his dad and even asked questions when he was traded as to what it would be like. It really sounds like what the White Sox allowed last year was a total outlier in all of baseball and while last years dynamics allowed for it, it is becoming more apparent that this years team had at least some people who weren't behind it and supportive of it and thus the Sox had to make a move. The problem really is in what the Sox allowed to begin with (however you can't blame them for eventually making the right call...with the exception of if they did actually verbally tell LaRoche it was fine and it was part of him signing here). Maybe it is ridiculous. But my stance is it doesn't matter. If Hahn and Robing gave their word it was good before he signed, whether it was in the contract or not, the White Sox should be held to their word. That's it . And an article linked from last season about him did state he doesn't have unlimited access that many are assuming. There are certain times he can't be around.