StrangeSox

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 12, 2011 -> 01:14 PM) lol. The stimulus created temporary jobs, that have since dried up. That is not success. The next stimulus is a more pointed temporary union jobs program that still does not address the problems that are dragging the economy down. The irony is the utter dependence on government spending is one of the biggest problems. An expanding economy where a strong majority people have had stagnant wages for decades has to rely on expanding government spending or expanding credit. We've done both. You've also said in the recent past that you have no problem with wage growth becoming decoupled from productivity growth and with an abnormally large-and-growing wealth and income inequality and shrinking economic mobility. Most people don't actually have enough income to create demand for a consumption-based economy to function.

"They" wasn't clear because I was again pointing out to you that "The White House" isn't the only source for economic policy information. I don't care what the White House says, as I've said numerous times. I don't think a second stimulus is a good idea because Barack Obama said so. I think it's a good idea because a variety of economists whose predictions have been fairly accurate say so, and because the economists who are steadfastly against it have been pretty spectacularly wrong over the past decade. I think it's a good idea because all of the data we have from the first stimulus and from the previous 7-8 decades pretty clearly indicates that it will, at worst, stabilize the economy.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Oct 12, 2011 -> 01:02 PM) we have Balta and SS only willing say that even more of something that failed in it's core mission is a good idea. I'm not really sure what you're driving at here, but I'll throw out an analogy: if the doctor prescribes you some antibiotics and you don't take enough of them, you can end up making the infection stronger. That doesn't mean the doctor was some kind of moron for prescribing the antibiotics and that we now need to turn to tried-and-true blood-letting techniques.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 12, 2011 -> 12:57 PM) So what you are saying is they were totally wrong and we bet a trillion dollars on it, but today they are right, and we should bet another half of a trillion on it. Talk about intellectual dishonesty. No, that's pretty clearly not what I'm saying. "They" is left undefined here, setting up a dishonest strawman argument for you to knock down. You've also used emotionally charged language like "bet," inflated the value to a trillion and failed to actually address any of the real policy recommendations from real economists. But that's what you've always done in this argument: refuse to acknowledge anything not said directly by the WH, who may be economically wrong ,pressing for the best thing they can pass politically or both, and ignoring the people who pointed out it would be too small to break the cycle, would only cushion the fall, and that it needed to be bigger, better targeted and that we need a second round. But you don't want to focus on that. You only want to focus on what came out of the WH and an estimate based on data nearly 3 years old to the exclusion of everything else.

Georgia wants to replace firefighters with prisoners

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 12, 2011 -> 12:51 PM) I know you can't refute the argument that the stimulus failed, which is why it turns to answers like that, instead of why we got a trillion load that didn't stimulate the economy into recovery like it was supposed. The answer is it didn't fix any of the problems that caused the recession, and continue to prolong it. Stimulus II doesn't do that either. Throwing more money at union jobs isn't going to fix anything. It failed to break the liquidity trap but succeeded in stopping the economy from falling off a cliff, as I've said here before. And I've also pointed you to numerous contemporary criticisms from Keynesian economists that said exactly that would happen because it wasn't big enough, but you hand-wave those away. And you've been shown that the Romer estimate was based on late-2008 data, which seriously underestimated the problem, but you continue to ignore that and make your sophomoric "they said it'd be 8%!" 'argument'.

so Perry's administration has been heavily editing environmental reports to not just remove any and all references to climate change but also any mention of measured sea level rises. You also have flagrantly wrong papers on the anti-AGW side getting retracted pretty regularly. But somehow, none of that weakens the anti-AGW ideology. They still know they're right. And a handful of isolated emails from a few institutes that *maybe* implicate some ethical concerns but are all later cleared? Obvious proof of the worldwide conspiracy hoax for grant money!

that's a pretty harsh "no u" burn right there, but it doesn't change the fact that you're making a disingenuous argument and are well aware of that fact.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 12, 2011 -> 12:42 PM) It failed to meet the projections for the economy even if they had not been spending a trillion dollars. There's nothing left to call that but intentional intellectual dishonesty at this point.

I was wondering if it was another "FBI foils its own plot" situation.

There's nothing left to call that but intentional intellectual dishonesty at this point.

Dave Toub:Chicago Bears::Don Cooper:White Sox

So it's not a lack of effort, he's just incompetent.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Oct 11, 2011 -> 12:57 PM) OK, that article does NOT say, or even intimate, that this guy caused or incited the riot. By his own admission he wasn't the one who shoved the guard. Nevertheless, sort of sad to read about more and more "reporters" trying to become the story. Morons. He didn't shove the guard but he's claiming responsibility for inciting the aggression.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Oct 10, 2011 -> 04:30 PM) Really? I was down there that day too. We were going to take my daughter to the Air and Space museum, but at the last minute she said she wanted to see dinosaurs, so we went to Natural History instead. Got on the Metro to go home, around the time the incidient at Air and Space started. So it turns out it was probably incited by a conservative reporter for the American Spectator. http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/cutline/report...-180750896.html

QUOTE (chw42 @ Oct 10, 2011 -> 11:53 PM) To a point, but I think in this situation, where the majority of the league is losing money, a 50-50 split isn't that unfair. The owners weren't proposing a true 50/50 split, but a 50/50 split after taking $300M out of the pot. Framing it that way was to get this exact PR result: make the players look unreasonable for refusing an even deal.

"we are not a movement preaching the DNC message" is the first line in their list.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 11, 2011 -> 09:37 AM) It blows my mind that it still gets taught in schools. Charles C. Mann's 1491 was an excellent book sparked by the erroneous information on indigenous peoples still taught in schools.

/season

why couldn't this have happened last year when they all would have lost their jobs?

catastrophic failure don't break

wtf

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Oct 10, 2011 -> 04:47 PM) I don't get why "conservatives" are annoyed so much by these protests. tribalism

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Oct 10, 2011 -> 04:30 PM) Really? I was down there that day too. We were going to take my daughter to the Air and Space museum, but at the last minute she said she wanted to see dinosaurs, so we went to Natural History instead. Got on the Metro to go home, around the time the incidient at Air and Space started. Yeah, if we hadn't spent a little extra time at the Hirshhorn, we would have been walking in right with the protesters. We also happened to be back by the protesters' "camp" when they were going over the incident with the crowd. Hilarious distortions ensued. Peaceful protesters simply walking into a public museum were instantly assaulted by throngs of armed officers, "at least" 100 people were pepper sprayed (media reports: 1 person, who pinned an officer to a wall). Back home now, man are my feet sore from walking all over the mall.