StrangeSox

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Jul 9, 2010 -> 12:11 PM) I think you're only using one definition of creationism. Perhaps some believe that the elements of life were created (and didn't just exist out of thin nothingness) and evolution took over from there. The Lisa Simpson Little House of Horrors theory of life if you will. That's not creationism as it's typically used or promoted by places like AiG or DI. I've already hit on the idea of theistic evolution and how it is not anywhere near Bible-as-literal-truth Creationism.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Jul 9, 2010 -> 11:49 AM) Again, race has zero to do with the shooting, as does the legal/illegal status, because the shooter couldn't possibly know they were illegal. The fact that they are illegal aliens simply means that they should be charged, documented, jailed, then shipped out. I would tend to agree that it didn't motivate the shooting, but it certainly motivates the reactions. The article wouldn't make an issue of it otherwise. Others in this thread wouldn't use it in their justification of the shooting. I think it is perfectly legitimate to say that race/immigrant status plays some role on how people view this issue. You don't need to be a KKK member to have race impact your judgments.

No, it's just stupid. Oh, and illegal. Certainly a worse crime than theft. So is it cart blanche on the old guy now? I don't know that race played in role in the old guy's decision, but I certainly think it plays a role in the reaction. If it didn't, it wouldn't have been mentioned.

These things seem to be reported more frequently when it involves illegal brown people. Kinda the opposite effect of the media's attention on missing/murdered pretty white girls vs. missing/murdered anyone else.

Being stupid, committing a non-lethal, non-violent crime (and being brown!) means you've given up your right to life, I guess.

Just a hunch: This isn't as much of a story if it's two white guys.

Science is a process or a method, not something to have "faith" in.

Keep dehumanizing and legitimizing killing! You're begging to be godwin'd.

Unless he's playing humpty dumpty from Through the Looking Glass again, there's only one way to take that. Words have meaning, and his statement is unequivocally false given standard definitions. Creationism actively denies evolution. Theistic evolution is the position of integrating science with a personal faith. TE is much closer to philosophical naturalism/ evolution without gods than it is to creationism. I'll point to Ken Miller again. He was a key witness at the Dover, PA trials as well as several other court cases around the country. He's a devout Catholic, but he's also a biologist who accepts evolution. He's much closer to PZ Meyers, atheist/biologist/douchebag than he is to Ken Ham or the people at the Discovery Institute.

The only way to make that point is to ignore decades of what creationism has stood for. It means individual species specially created, perhaps within the last 6000-10000 years, no macroevolution, things created pretty much as they are now. That's a very far leap from theistic evolution, which posits evolution as scientists understand it as a 'tool' for God. eg Ken Miller vs. Ken Ham.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Jul 9, 2010 -> 07:21 AM) I understand what Kap is getting at. For open minded people, there is usually a recognition that evolution exists, and God exists, and if you work them back far enough, they meet. Problem is, many people aren't that open minded, so its either "creation doesn't exist because God did everything" or "God doesn't exist because nature did everything". Theistic evolution =/= creationism, though.

QUOTE (kapkomet @ Jul 8, 2010 -> 09:22 PM) At the end of it all, doesn't creationism and evolution end up being the same? Very simple, very clear answer: no.

QUOTE (lostfan @ Jul 8, 2010 -> 11:20 PM) If your faith in God is threatened by science, then your faith is probably pretty weak, which is a personal problem if you ask me. that's a pretty good statement.

There's no reason to shoot at them while they're fleeing. It's a legally, and imo morally, indefensible act. I have to ask at what point do we value property, value things enough that we're willing to kill someone over them.

HE GONE! Nice sweep, great CG.

one more to go!

QUOTE (docsox24 @ Jul 8, 2010 -> 12:48 PM) Not downplaying it at all. I have the opinion that I don't think its a big loss. You have a different opinion. That doesn't make you right and mean I am trying to downplay something. Had Hudson been in the rotation the first half instead of Peavy I don't think our record would be any different. If you think an emotional leader is worth 16M than so be it. Peavy was awful for the first couple of months, but returned to being dominant in June. You can't just look at his entire season record and say "no big loss". Most of the pitchers on this staff are garbage if you're going by that metric, and we should be glad Quentin's been out of the lineup.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jul 8, 2010 -> 11:00 AM) I'd agree. It looked like we were seeing Peavy go on one of his vaunted runs. He was what, 4-1 with a sub 2.5 ERA in his last 5 games or something like that? Lowest ERA in the AL in June I'm pretty sure.

My sources* told me on June 1st that Lebron was a lock and laid out this entire circus, even called the media special on ESPN. *my dog

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Jul 8, 2010 -> 10:37 AM) Lilliputian I already ™'d that

QUOTE (SHIPPS @ Jul 8, 2010 -> 08:30 AM) Twitter is one of the worst things to happen to humanity. fify

QUOTE (daa84 @ Jul 8, 2010 -> 08:04 AM) initially, i thought rick reilly and his cronies were a bunch of turds when they came out against online blogs like deadspin and ripping them for not having any journalistic integrity, poor writing form, and posting sources without confirming them through sources.... however, with the advent of this twitter bulls*** people can just spew whatever "rumor" they hear and the public is taking it as truth, and reilly has a point...its getting ridiculous separating the 99.9% of bulls*** out there from the .1% of truth But it's the regular media that's been spewing the twitter bulls***.

anyone else's sound messed up?

I know he's on a good streak but holy s*** Lilliputian as DH?

Deron left UofI after his Junior year. He was only there for 3 years.