StrangeSox

I'm guessing there's post-Garner caselaw on an almost identical scenario. It'd be interesting to see how those rulings typically go but, given how quickly the CPD reacted here, I'm guessing the weight of the evidence and caselaw is on the "unjustified" side and rightly so imo.

QUOTE (JenksIsMyHero @ Aug 5, 2016 -> 12:40 PM) I can understand the guys shooting at him in the car. They were shooting wildly at/around houses and their fellow officers. I'm not surprised about that. Not sure I agree with the second. He already showed his willingness to hit a police car with his car. He's running into private homes. Who knows what he's capable of. Why are we giving deference to the fleeing criminal? Shooting while he's in the car is actually the justified part I think. There, he has a deadly weapon and can use it to harm officers/other people. Once he's out of the car, he's not posing a threat and "who knows what he's capable of" doesn't come close to meeting the legal standard for shooting a fleeing suspect in the back. We give deference to the fleeing alleged-but-not-yet-convicted criminal because the state exercising its powers to take someone's lives should be extremely limited. QUOTE (JenksIsMyHero @ Aug 5, 2016 -> 12:42 PM) I think it's disingenuous to call this a spontaneous execution. It was a car chase followed by pursuit on foot. This dude had every opportunity to stop and give up. He didn't. Again, in the grand scheme of things, after all the awful shootings that have happened, this is so far down the list. Running from the police isn't punishable by death. It doesn't matter if this guy was less sympathetic of a figure than some of the other outright murders by police officers, it's still a tragedy, it still shouldn't have happened and those involved should still be held accountable.

QUOTE (pettie4sox @ Aug 5, 2016 -> 12:27 PM) I saw nothing in the video. The body cam of the dude didn't even catch anything until after they caught the suspect. Press reports were the the autopsy showed he died of a gunshot to the back, and he was shot running away from the car. http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/b...0805-story.html Isn't there a court case where it was explicitly ruled that shooting a fleeing suspect who doesn't pose imminent danger is not a justified killing? Once he's out of the car and is unarmed, he's not an immediate threat. eta yes there was, Tennesse v Garner

well the police review board seems to pretty strongly disagree, as does the CPD given how quickly they stripped those involved of their police powers. Looked like he got out of the car and was running away at that point. Shooting an unarmed suspect in the back while they are on foot is not and should not be okay.

We'll see what the video shows. But I'm not sure anything you listed there rises to the level of summary execution being justified, and nor does it matter if he was a "poor blameless victim." "Being a (non-convicted) criminal" isn't grounds for being shot.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Aug 5, 2016 -> 11:39 AM) Spooks for Clinton buried in that article:

Trump admits he didn't actually see a TOP SECRET video of Iranians unloading cash he swore he saw multiple times, instead saw the same January hostage transfer from Switzerland that was on all the news networks. Not sure if that actually rises to a Trump-level gaffe though. The Daily 202: Lessons from my search for Donald Trump's personal giving to charity

QUOTE (Ezio Auditore @ Aug 5, 2016 -> 11:53 AM) IIRC the biggest lead Obama had nationally in any poll was 9 points. Hillary's been kissing double digits. Per some little twitter summary I saw, he had a +10 on McCain exactly once. Hillary's already had 2 with 2 more at +9. Enjoy this picture

QUOTE (JenksIsMyHero @ Aug 5, 2016 -> 11:23 AM) Why's that? It's good for the game. Non-golf countries are now investing money into it, so new markets are being opened. I think the format is dumb. And I think it's unfortunate that some of the big names won't be there. But that's what happened with tennis too and it's sorta turned a corner. Golf is extremely boring.

We'll re-normalize around Clinton +6/8 is my gut feeling, but as you said, who knows how many more times Trump will shoot himself in the foot over the next 92 days. I'd put the over/under on that around 45 if we count a whole debate's worth of f*** ups as one incident. Like you said though, people started coming around on Clinton after the convention. Her favorables still aren't great, but she's getting close to at least being even. If you're even or -5 and your opponent is -35/-45, you're going to walk away with the thing and that's before the Democrats' general EC advantage they have right now. A couple more states drop into the "safe" category for Clinton, and we're pretty much calling the election in August. Obama never had a showing like the week Clinton just had even in 2008. edit: 538's forecast doesn't show GA going to Clinton, by the way. She's approaching 350 without getting Georgia. Georgia feels like the Democrats' version of Pennsylvania, though--the state they're always hoping that they can actually flip this time but lol nope it's gonna state red

QUOTE (bmags @ Aug 5, 2016 -> 11:33 AM) Georgia will swing back, probably next week. Not buying it. Still pretty sure we are in a bump. On election day I'm fairly certain we'll be walking to the polls with at least a "Clinton 46%, Trump 42%" scenario. Problem for trump is PA is looking like toast, and he already seems to have lost CO. Don't forget VA! Clinton's also drastically reduced ad buys there. Spooks for Clinton Doesn't this dope know that actually Clinton is unqualified because reasons?

QUOTE (Ezio Auditore @ Aug 5, 2016 -> 11:17 AM) HOLY s*** this electoral map looks really ugly for Republicans. http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/ This is the part of the election where polls actually start giving you useful information - Clinton is already in Obama 2008 territory and it's still the first week of August. Obama didn't get this far ahead until late October. The map hasn't even bottomed out yet, this all happened in a week. Obama had 365 EV, right now, Clinton would win 354 (IN going blue that year was a fluke), and GA and AZ have been swinging blue (which is unheard of). The debates could change this of course but I see no reason to think Trump will all of a sudden sharpen up and get his s*** together, this isn't the Republican primary we're talking about anymore. This is probably similar to what it looked like trying to run against Reagan in the 80s. From a story on the security briefings the candidates receive poor Mondale

QUOTE (Ezio Auditore @ Aug 5, 2016 -> 10:39 AM) This is why, even though states like Illinois and Maryland are gerrymandered for Democrats, I don't really care that much about it. If they weren't gerrymandered it'd be EVEN MORE lopsided. The House was intended to be sort of a reactive barometer to the national mood and the Senate was a check against that. We don't need two Senates. The Senate was the place for the farmer gentry to hold veto power over anything the rabble wanted to do, Madison was pretty explicit about that. Abolish the least demographic body in the Western world imo. You don't exactly see pure parliamentary systems like Canada or Britain going on crazy whiplash policy roller coasters, but they can actually implement policies they ran on because they don't have five thousand veto points in the system.

QUOTE (bmags @ Aug 5, 2016 -> 10:47 AM) Iowa uses an independent commission and it works very well. I would be happy with an SC ruling that found it to be unconstitutionally disenfranchising to do anything but that, they'd be able to get their with less leaps of logic/bulls*** than Shelby County.

QUOTE (Ezio Auditore @ Aug 5, 2016 -> 10:25 AM) If popular vote could be used as a guide, Dems would've taken the House back in 2012, but gerrymandering makes it almost impossible for Democrats to actually win seats that way. It has to be a huge blowout win like 2008 (and like this election is setting up to be, God willing). Unfortunately 2010 was a census year... thanks for that, flakes It's ridiculous how structurally favorable things are for more rural (Republican) people. Senate obviously lol, Californians get 1 Senator per 19,166,260 people, Wyoming-ans get 1 per 291,329. With capping the House at 435 and then Democratic voters just naturally clustering together more than Republican, there's a huge advantage there even before you get to gerrymandering. You got several million more votes than Republicans nationally? Enjoy your 10% deficit in House seats!

I'm interested in the commercials I've seen recently here in Illinois for the non-partisan districting commission. Should be the standard nationally imo.

I'm still annoyed that golf is an Olympic sport

At least they're not sitting on it for a year and then having the prosecutor come out and make statements like "these are cops, we have to take our time and do our jobs, we can't just rush into an indictment like we would with a normal person!"

This subforum is probably 70/30 these days but there's what, 15 of us that post here regularly? Not exactly a big sample size.

Some more from the NC Voter ID ruling: Sure is a good thing Roberts decided to invent a Constitutional principle of Equal Dignitude of the States and ignore the very explicit wording of the 15th Amendment in order to gut the VRA in Shelby County. That has to be in the running for the worst SC decision ever written for how brazenly it doesn't even really attempt a real argument and comes to such awful conclusions. Hopefully it's one of the first things on the agenda of a liberal Supreme Court to overturn.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Aug 5, 2016 -> 06:35 AM) Marist/McClatchy: Clinton +15 Some interesting internals from that Marist poll: Please damage the GOP for the youngest segment of the Millennial generation like GWB did for the oldest segment. Double points if he can do it without causing any actual real-world damage.

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Aug 4, 2016 -> 04:07 PM) You think we're gonna listen to Lumpy? Also Politifact ranked Hillary the most honest candidate of this election - including Bernie. They only do fact checking. politifact can be pretty crappy though

225k new jobs, unemployment steady at 4.9% as more people enter the workforce, wages up a tick.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Aug 5, 2016 -> 07:33 AM) Trump floats Ivanka for Cabinet "She's very popular, she's done very well. And you know Ivanka very well. But there really are so many that are talented people, like you," he said to Savage, "You're so talented, I don't know if your viewers know that." Read that sentence from Trump. This is the same sentence he says about everything. It's so weird. The only women he could name as potential cabinet placements are his daughter he is creepily obsessed with and the woman sitting directly in from of him. To be fair, Ivanka was a Democrat until this year and her RNC speech was something that could have been given at the DNC if you stripped out Trump references, so she'd be a better pick than probably anyone else Trump has in mind (e.g. Paul LePage, his current infatuation) I may not be enamored with Clinton, but I am enamored with whomever writes Clinton's twitter rumored that she hired some ex-daily show writers

Things I learned today: Bill "Big Mac" Clinton is a vegan