StrangeSox

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Sep 24, 2015 -> 09:42 AM) Well think about it: the DNA evidence now says that his DNA isn't anywhere near her vagina. It's on her shoulder. So she can't even prove they had sex, let alone that there was rape. But if she's going to maintain that story, she has to discredit the DNA testing somehow. This is a perfect way to do it. Claim some kind of tampering/conspiracy. Again, how on earth does that evidence bag separate itself from the evidence? Why isn't it in an evidence room? Any mention of a cover-up/tampering is going to be kept from the jury unless there's some factual issue that there might have been a cover-up/tampering involved, then i'm sure it's allowed. It will also be allowed if the plaintiff allows the defendant to use the DNA testing as evidence they didn't have sex. That opens the door to question the credibility of the testing. But even if it's excluded, at this point the jury pool is tainted. I'm sure everyone in that area knows the story. That's all you need in a civil case, some kind of hook that provides a level of risk of taking the case to trial. No, we don't know what the DNA test results really are. We have some anonymous leaks. They may or may not be accurate.

There is a very small probability that they set this all up--anything is possible! However, there's no actual evidence anywhere supporting that. It's all just baseless speculation, mainly from right-wing media and conservatives who, for some reason, feel the need to make the kid the bad guy and downplay the action of the authority figures in this case. It's all Alex Jones-level nonsense so far. More to the point, yeah, the school's and the police's actions pretty much do negate if this was a "setup". It wasn't a bomb hoax, he never presented himself as a threat, and he was truthful about what it was the entire time. The "setup" only works if the school and the police respond in the stupid, ham-fisted manner that they did. If they act like competent professionals, the "setup" doesn't matter and nobody ever hears about Ahmed. If the school and police's reaction were so predictably terrible that the family could concoct this plan, that in and of itself is a problem.

QUOTE (Alpha Dog @ Sep 24, 2015 -> 08:28 AM) I didn't say she was guilty, just what it looks like to me. I can see both sides of this. he is just an innocent little Muslim school boy who was preyed upon by racist school admins, or that he was manipulated by family to provoke a response and got one even bigger than any of them had hoped for. Or something in between. Can you imagine that any of those are possible? I know StrangeSox sure can't, this kid is as pure as ivory soap in his eyes, he can't even imagine that something nefarious could be going on. I think the Ahmed troothers' completely unsupported hypothetical claims are pretty far-fetched, but I've maintained from the start that they're pretty much irrelevant and that "little Muslim school boy who was preyed upon by racist school admins [and police]" is true regardless of his motives.

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QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Sep 23, 2015 -> 04:50 PM) School looks worse and worse. Yeah, evidence that the school has harassed the same family before over what seems like similar BS doesn't exactly help their case. QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Sep 24, 2015 -> 08:04 AM) Think like a detective here. What you have established is motive - but you have literally zero evidence of any crime (in terms of a setup or hoax or intentional act). Not even circumstantially. You can't just create a crime out of thin air purely based on motive. People all have selfish motives that are aided by any number of acts, but rarely have they done something to act upon them. Plus, Ahmed never said it was anything but a clock. Nobody forced the school to suspend him or the police to arrest and question him alone. The school and police still have control of their own responses here.

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Sep 23, 2015 -> 04:43 PM) You're missing the amazing opportunity to claim conspiracy and cover-up with a high profile, rich, influential accused. The DNA evidence is bad for them already. This provides a new angle for them to argue there would be more evidence (damning evidence proving rape) but for the tampering/cover-up. what would that actually get them though? edit: would all of these shenanigans even be admissible in civil court?

QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Sep 23, 2015 -> 05:07 PM) I can't see anyone giving up a 3rd for Forte. No knock on Matt but giving up a 3rd for a rb on an expiring contract isn't something I see a team doing. For a 30 year old RB in a league where RB's are increasingly interchangeable. The colts already made one disastrous RB trade in recent history, no way do they make that mistake again.

greg has found some great sources lately! newsmax, infowars, pamelagellar.com

See, the problem is that even if it was a "setup", the school and especially the police still look really bad here. The far-fetched "setup" doesn't work if they aren't so predictably terrible and incompetent.

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QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Sep 23, 2015 -> 02:57 PM) And even if someone did tamper with the evidence, why would they leave that bag where they did? What would that accomplish besides getting a lawyer to hold a press conference? I think the idea is that this was some whistleblower who knew about the tampering and wanted to alert the victim.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Sep 23, 2015 -> 02:52 PM) The thing is that it was just the bag holding the evidence so it wasn't the evidence itself. That's what makes it weird. If it's the official sealed and tagged evidence, it's what verifies that everything is still legit and controlled. If the evidence is out of its proper storage, then the chain of custody is broken and it's basically useless (remember Ryan Braun getting off on this technicality a few years ago?) But the police are saying the coc is legit so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

QUOTE (Knuckles @ Sep 23, 2015 -> 02:28 PM) Cambria said the DNA test results were known weeks ago. It doesn't sound the actual evidence was tampered with. Defense can still get it thrown out since they can't do their own independent testing now. edit: assuming the evidence has actually been tampered with/chain of custody has been broken, who knows what's actually going on right now

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Sep 23, 2015 -> 01:16 PM) If there is no evidence of intercourse with Kane how exactly do they expect a grand jury to bring charges? Yeah, in a lot of date rape cases it's not a question of whether there even was sex/sexual contact but whether it was consensual. If Kane is denying that he even had sex with her, physical evidence is pretty important.

I hope heads checks in to get all of this great advice before his January 2004 trip!

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 23, 2015 -> 12:53 PM) The ONLY way I see that changing is if this was opened by the DNA testing organization, and in the process of them disposing of the bag after testing, some idiot at the lab grabbed it for who know what reason. In that scenario you can ensure chain of custody to that point. What happened to the bag after that point would be irrelevant. To me that makes the most sense because apparently they have tested the rape kid for DNA if you believe the rumors, so wouldn't this specific bag have been opened at that point? Don't know for sure, just trying to put things together. Huh, that is a possibility. I wonder what the normal procedure is for something like that.

Regardless of the alleged DNA test results, this seems like it pretty much guarantees that Kane won't charged. The only possible physical evidence has been tampered with.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Sep 23, 2015 -> 12:44 PM) What an idiot. And can you selectively take out DNA of someone in a rape kit and insert others? Was the sample tampered or just the bag? The sample is also sealed inside of a sealed bag. I could be wrong, but I think that if the evidence bag has been tampered with, then chain of custody has been broken and any evidence contained within that back is inadmissible. As for the results of the DNA tests, isn't that still just unconfirmed leaks?

Deadspin has a quick recap of the presser with photos http://deadspin.com/lawyer-of-patrick-kane...-tam-1732598494

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 23, 2015 -> 12:07 PM) Wow, this just went from sad to crazy. Someone got a hold of the rape kid evidence bag, opened it, and then it was delivered to the house of the victims parents. welp there goes any potential evidence

QUOTE (iamshack @ Sep 23, 2015 -> 11:07 AM) Thanks SS. We have gone to a few slabyards and don't really care for the granite options. My wife wants something white but also fairly solid, which is difficult to find with granite. They had a few quartz slabs, but they were made by a company named Quantro out of India. I didn't care much for the reviews I saw online. Apparently a lot of chipping problems. I think I may just go with Silestone just for peace of mind. Silestone may be what we went with too. I can check our invoice later tonight, but I don't think it detailed that out. I know we looked at that, Corian and maybe one other brand. I could figure out a rough sqft cost but I think there can be huge regional variations on that sort of stuff.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Sep 23, 2015 -> 11:29 AM) I never was arguing about shielding or not. I was arguing that it is amazing how everyone jumps to the money vs. putting the responsible people behind bars. You have a swift hand in providing justice without punishing all of the shareholders for those consequences (you know...those investors who lose retirement dollars, etc). Amazing how company execs jump to pay the fine, which yes, impacts the company, but doesn't nearly impact their jobs as much as it impacts all of the investors account balances. Send those who conspired and put them behind bars and that is a different story. Key being evidence exists for those at the top that you charge (direct evidence that they were aware). I am 100% in favor of criminal prosecutions in addition to whatever fines are assessed.

Nobody's going to claw back VW earnings I don't think, but obviously their stock is going to take a hit with or without the completely deserved fines. They're going to have to spend billions to fix their customers' cars, and they've done a lot of damage to their brand in a country where they already struggle.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Sep 23, 2015 -> 10:42 AM) Trying to decide on countertops. Has anyone gone with quartz? If so, what brand? We have quartz, don't remember the brand (we looked at several mid- to high-range brands). We went with that over granite due to the zero maintenance and risk of staining, and we've been very happy with it for the last four years. I think the cost was about the same as a granite option.