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Drug Goes From $13.50 a Tablet to $750, Overnight edit: more detailed explanation of what Shkreli's doing here. http://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archi...d-its-a-bad-one

QUOTE (DrunkBomber @ Sep 23, 2015 -> 09:50 AM) Third time hopefully will be a charm. Just completely ignore that the fact that he was told by his teacher that his clock looked like a bomb. I'm not ignoring that, I'm failing to see what you think that means. He showed it to his tech teacher that teacher said 'cool, but maybe you should put that away' he puts it in his backpack it beeps during his english class he shows it to his english teacher who says it looked like a bomb and gets admin involved Admin calls police ------Up to this point, maybe the English teacher is overreacting but really not a story yet! Admin may have been able to handle the situation better, but just calling the police isn't really that bad. Where does his English teacher's opinion on what it looks like become relevant or justify the administration suspending him? (let alone the police's terrible handling from start to finish)

Republicans in the Senate have proposed a short-term funding bill that strips funding from PP. There are still a lot of hardliner republicans in both the Senate and the House who seem more than willing to shut down the federal government yet again.

QUOTE (DrunkBomber @ Sep 23, 2015 -> 09:44 AM) Im not about to sit here and defend the police but I dont think the school did anything wrong. You conveniently ignored the link and quote I posted where Ahmed himself is quoted as saying that one of his teachers told him that his clock looks like a bomb and another told him he should probably put it in his backpack. So even knowing that when other people at the school were concerned and asking him what it was why couldnt he just explain to them why it looked the way it did since you know, it didnt look like a clock...Why couldnt he just say ask teacher x who I showed it to earlier? If he could give a reasonable non one word answer when asked about something THAT ONE OF HIS TEACHERS ALREADY TOLD HIM LOOKED LIKE A BOMB it wouldnt have happened. Clearly this doesnt warrant the kid being arrested or handcuffed but it is mind blowing that people are surprised at how the school acted. Which he did, but the alarm went off during another class so he showed it to that teacher. The school still acted very poorly in suspending him, but they were definitely less terrible than the police who arrested him and then questioned him alone and waited two days before announcing that they weren't going to charge him.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Sep 23, 2015 -> 08:46 AM) Porsche has been a wildly successful company, even though they make very little margin on their core sports car lines. They have shown to be quite business savvy, the VW re-merger mess aside. The 959 program was a perfect example. In the late 80's they build a "cost no object" supercar, that they will build only a few hundred of, in one run, period. No options, just a color choice. All 500 were sold before a single one was built, to the tune of $300,000+ in 1990 dollars (over half a million in today's money). They actually priced it in a way they would break even on the car. Why? Because it was free R&D - they basically got funding to create brand new high tech stuff from brakes to air bags to electronics, which they patented and sold, and that is where they made the big bucks. Bugatti, another VW-owned company, actually sold the Veyron super/hypercars at a loss. Lexus loses money on their LF-A supercar. It's not uncommon for these tech showpieces to lose money. Porsche's Cayenne diesel may also be affected by this incident as that platform is a joint effort with VW. edit: Porsche makes far too many models and variations within each model these days. Please eliminate three. PS I am not a crackpot.

QUOTE (Iwritecode @ Sep 23, 2015 -> 08:44 AM) I can't believe anyone is really surprised that the school officials over-reacted the way they did. We hear stories all the time of kids being suspended for bringing cough drops to school, or having a plastic butter knife in their lunch bag. Or eating a god damn POP TART into the shape of a gun. I'm pretty sure a kid could bring an actual clock into school and someone would think it's a bomb. Zero-tolerance policies are terrible but can tie school administration's hands. That's not the case with the police.

QUOTE (DrunkBomber @ Sep 23, 2015 -> 09:12 AM) Did you see the picture of this "clock? Its convenient that all the SJW's on here pick and choose which parts of a long post to respond to when it fits their narrative. Well I guess I will ask again. Is it possible that this clock could look like a bomb to someone untrained in explosives? If so, is it that unreasonable to be uncomfortable and take extra precautions like calling the police? Is that seriously that big of a deal? All he said when asked was that it was a clock, just one word, wouldnt elaborate when asked. It doesnt look like a clock, why couldnt he just explain that it was a clock he made or uncased or altered or anything. Even teachers at his school told him he shouldnt carry it out in the open. Later in the day, the News reported, Mohamed's English teacher complained when the clock beeped in the middle of a lesson. When Mohamed showed her the device after class, he claims she told him, "It looks like a bomb." He was told before this happened by a teacher that it looked like a bomb...If this kids takes 2 seconds to explain what hes carrying and why it looks the way it does none of this would have happened. It's not entirely unreasonable that school administration would call the police. It's completely unreasonable that the school would suspend him and the police would take him out in handcuffs. edit: the school could also have talked to the engineering teacher he first showed it to and gotten his input on what it was, which would quickly have put this whole thing to bed. But neither the administration nor the police ever acted like this was a real threat. They didn't evacuate, they didn't get the bomb squad, they didn't remove the device from the building immediately. Ahmed also wasn't carrying the clock in the open after he showed it to his first teacher, but the alarm went off in another class so he showed it to that teacher afterwards. That's when everything went awry.

QUOTE (Jake @ Sep 23, 2015 -> 07:58 AM) lol, I am very disturbed by the fact that Greg has found Infowars the horror, the horror

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Sep 23, 2015 -> 07:45 AM) Bolded - he did exactly that, repeatedly and consistently. How are people missing this? That's what I really don't get about DB's response. Ahmed told everyone, from the start, it was a clock, and that's exactly what it was.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Sep 23, 2015 -> 08:09 AM) No, the company's results are ill-gotten through massive, coordinated fraud. The shareholders, unless they were somehow aware (which is unlikely if this was a publically traded company and not closely held), are victims of the fraud (though obviously not at nearly the scale of people who were sickened or lost loved ones). This is an important distinction, legally and morally. Yeah, I wasn't trying to put blame on the shareholders, but their gains are still not legitimate. VW the company committed international regulatory fraud, and part of their stock's value was based on that deception. As far as who owns VW, there was actually a weird story several years back where Porsche essentially became a hedge fund company that also made cars, made a bunch of aggressive moves to try and gain control of VW, had it all blow up and their face and were then taken over by VW. The two companies are linked back to their founders, the Porsche and Piech families. A German state/province actually owns 20% of VW, Porsche's holding company owns 50%, Qatar owns 17% and I think the rest is publicly owned.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Sep 22, 2015 -> 09:59 PM) lol what. You do know Hamiltons addiction took him completely out of baseball for several years right? Such a strange comparison you are making. Patrick Kane is literally the worst person to ever exist

By the way, the kid said it was a clock from the beginning. The idiots in charge clearly never thought it was a real threat, otherwise they would have called the bomb squad or evacuated the school. Even if he did so this intentionally to get a reaction, he still never presented it as anything but a clock and volunteered that information to his teacher first. School is of course allowed to ask what a student has, but that isn't all they did. They brought him down to the office and called the police. The police them arrested him and lead him out in handcuffs. You've pretty seriously understated what actually happened here while piling on a bunch of unfounded nonsense to somehow make the school and polices incompetence the fault of the kid that was arrested for no reason.

Compelling, well reasoned argument. You've clearly demonstrated your case and shown beyond a doubt that this was all some plot by his father to provoke school administration and local police from overreacting and making national fools of themselves.

The shareholders gains are ill - gotten through massive, coordinated fraud.

QUOTE (DrunkBomber @ Sep 22, 2015 -> 09:24 PM) This isnt some profound moment in American history. This kid took a clock out of its casing and brought it to school. He was asked what he was carrying and he wouldnt give a straight answer. He couldnt say something to the police like "This is a clock I built and Im showing it to my teachers" or "This is a clock I took apart" or anything like that? Now if you want to use this as some platform to change society go ahead. The system wasnt broken here. This was at a school and they err on the side of caution. What planet are we living on where when someone who brings something that looks like this: to school that the authorities or the people who work at the school(and are also responsible for the kids safety) arent allowed to ask what it is? This kid was manipulated and coached on exactly what to do and say to get this exact reaction. He was detained for 2 hours and the charges were dropped (there wouldnt even have been charges if he was honest from the beginning) and he was released. Now hes invited to the White House, has scholarship offers from multiple schools, has go fund me's set up for him etc. Poor kid. Man there sure are a lot of unsupported assumptions in this post to excuse arresting a child for no reason.

QUOTE (chw42 @ Sep 22, 2015 -> 04:46 PM) I saw what Cuban had to say, all of his anecdotes as to what actually happened were second hand and he accused the kid of having his sister feed him what to say to him on his call with him. Although he did say the kid was interested and more engaged when they talked about technology. If anything, I think Maher just had him on to feed his narrative some more. Why should anyone care what Mark Cuban has to say anyway?

QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 22, 2015 -> 04:41 PM) It's easy to take the "cops are bad; teachers are prejudiced" angle on this one. Right, because regardless of anything else, that's true. It's easy to take because it's correct. I place zero value on either of their opinions. Ahmed brought a repurposed clock to school and insisted to everyone that it was a clock. For this, he was arrested and suspended from school. That's a good, accurate story. The media has no responsibility to go running down a bunch of rabbit holes over a whole lot of baseless speculation that his dad "put him up to this."

QUOTE (chw42 @ Sep 22, 2015 -> 04:04 PM) This kid must really be a genius after all... And you realize Bill Maher is an atheist who will take any opportunity to s*** on Muslims, Christians, Jews, and any religion in general right? He surely doesn't have an agenda here... Bill Maher is a jackass, and he particularly targets Islam for criticism (similar to Dawkins or Sam Harris).

What we should focus on is whether or not this kid perhaps overstated his accomplishments. That's the heart of the matter here.

QUOTE (Alpha Dog @ Sep 22, 2015 -> 03:39 PM) I believe almost every story I read said the kid was showing off his 'invention', as if it were his own. And you explain any other reason that all sorts of people are jumping up to offer him things? Free s*** from Microsoft? Really? For what? For being treated like a criminal for showing interest in engineering/science. That's definitely what people should be upset about, stuff from Microsoft and a trip to the WH. Not a 14 year old being suspended from school and arrested for having a clock.

QUOTE (Alpha Dog @ Sep 22, 2015 -> 03:32 PM) The kid should get a F in his engineering class for ripping off an already made clock and trying to call it his own. but fear of islamophobia will get him a full ride to MIT. The kid didn't claim to have invented the idea of a digital clock or manufactured the circuit boards from raw materials. I do like the attempt to make the hypothetical "fear of islamophobia" the bad guy here instead of the actual case of real islamophobia.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 22, 2015 -> 03:24 PM) Please don't be lazy. Please read this and consider both sides. The kid obviously was set up by daddy to cause this issue. Obviously. lol evidence? no, the alarm went off. It's a digital clock. The facts are that this kid brought a repurposed clock to school and authorities in Texas lost their s***, arrested him and suspended him for multiple days long after it was clear to everyone that it wasn't a bomb. He never pretended or claimed it was a bomb or threatened anyone. Even if his dad put him up to this, every adult involved acted like a bunch of idiots. It's far-fetched anyway, but even if it were true, it'd be a legitimate act of pointing out how awful the school admin and local police are. No, because it's ridiculous.

QUOTE (Brian @ Sep 22, 2015 -> 03:28 PM) I'm actually fine with the authorities being called. Better safe than sorry in a way, but couldn't they have determined it wasn't a bomb and not arrested him rather easily? The lack of explosives and an ignition source would be a dead giveaway.

QUOTE (bmags @ Sep 22, 2015 -> 03:13 PM) Why would a kid excited about his making of a clock even think about it being a bomb if he was merely excited about building a clock? because he was arrested and asked repeatedly why he brought a bomb to school, as he responded that it was a clock. Notably, nobody called the bomb squad or evacuated the school. You know, things you'd typically actually do if you thought it was a legit bomb.

QUOTE (bmags @ Sep 22, 2015 -> 03:02 PM) As far as hoaxes go, "son take this clock to school, say it's a clock, watch them arrest you, get released and then shame them"...I mean, the fact that that works kind of shows there is something wrong anyways isn't there? Yeah, that's the other side of this. If authority figures in Texas are so predictably terrible that it would make a complex scheme wherein your son gets arrested for having a clock, then that says a lot.