StrangeSox

I've had a vanguard total market ETF for 8 or 9 years now. It's paid decent dividends and more than double in value.

They can try to make that argument, but at least in 2013, the public wasn't buying it and overwhelmingly put the blame on the Republicans. Technically, the police have the option to give into all of the hostage-taker's demands, but we'd still put the blame for any harm on the hostage-takers.

Well, credit where credit is due if that's how it shakes out. It won't be the first time he's put the priority of a functional federal government over his own position.

John Boehner Will Resign From Congress Wow. This does not bode well for a functional government. edit: or maybe he brings a funding bill to the floor that will pass with Democratic support as a final "f*** you" to the hard right members that are pushing for another shutdown.

I bird pooped on my hate during a river cruise in San Antonio. Therefore, the entire city should be razed to the ground. Didn't Tex move up around this area recently?

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Sep 24, 2015 -> 08:39 PM) It's pretty close. More and more this case has no legs to stand on. How often does a prosecuting attorney quit when it's a legitimate case? This isn't the actual prosecuting attorney. This was her representative. The district attorney has not dropped the case.

Oh I'd absolutely agree that an incompetent campaign is a sign that you'll fail in office.

There's a lot more similarities between running a campaign (top-down control over everything, fighting for "market share" against competitors, advertising) and being a CEO than running the executive branch. The President isn't a CEO; they have to work with Congress, they cannot hire and fire at will, they have to work with other global leaders, they're not fighting for quarterly profits etc., they have control of the largest army in the history of the world.

I'm not sure how much of an overlap there is between running a global for-profit corporation and running the executive branch of the US government there really is anyway.

Ok, I think I could agree that blaming HP's downfall entirely on Fiorina is simplistic. She failed in a very, very tough environment, maybe an unwinnable one, but it still seems like the moves that she did make deserve some criticism in their own right.

duh how did I forget him

Where do the Bears have solid, young talent right now? The only name that comes to mind is Kyle Long.

Well, anyone who oversaw massive failure! I'm not asking your opinion on that article. I'm asking your opinion on Fiorina and what contribution she had to HP's decline. edit: as far as general consensus at the time on the merger, here's an old Bloomberg article on the internal revolt. Hewlett and others objected specifically because it was a merger that would expose them to the declining PC market. It isn't just hindsight to say it was a terrible move.

But what's the actual positive take-away from her tenure? What positive leadership can you point to?

yeah that's another way of stating it. Not legal argument but an ethical one over the damage their deliberate fraud will cause.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Sep 24, 2015 -> 12:27 PM) While I agree with the fairly well-proven theory that smog and fumes increase risk for those issues, I think it is an enormous stretch to pin blame for deaths on some one manufacturer of vehicles, even if they deliberately skirted the regulations. I think VW should be hit very hard, and they will be, but I certainly hope you aren't suggesting they be gone-after for some sort of homicide. No, I don't think there's even a legal mechanism in place to do something like that. But the excessive pollution, particularly NOx, is known to cause serious respiratory problems in some people up to and including death. You can't show direct causality, but I think it'd be like the long effort to show the harm of lead in gasoline or tobacco. Another comparison would be the estimates that the EPA and other agencies put out for things like how many people die each year due to coal plant emissions--hard to prove for an individual death, but a much stronger case in the aggregate.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 24, 2015 -> 12:12 PM) lol. I worked on the floor of an options exchange next to the crowd where HP was traded, and across from where Dell was traded when the merger was announced. I remember the atmosphere well without a spin article. I don't know why you'd call it a spin article, it's more of a recap of Sonnenfeld's criticisms of Fiorina's leadership at HP that go back over a decade. Sonnenfeld's background is business management, specifically executive leadership, and he's taught at both Harvard Business School and now Yale. Fiorina had to fight a battle to get the merger approved within HP, and even then it was a close margin. Nothing from her tenure worked out, and even if "merge with other failing company in the same declining market" is conventional wisdom, it still doesn't really help her case. That would mean she showed no real leadership or innovation, and she still missed the boat on where the tech industry was going. Now, so did a lot of people. There's lots of tech failures out there. But that doesn't make her any less of a failure. She engaged in some empire-building, made a bunch of money for herself and left HP-Compaq in terrible shape. If the options traders were excited about that merger, doesn't that say more about their abilities given how massively it failed?

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Sep 24, 2015 -> 12:17 PM) The fact that the Hawks are playing him in the preseason games tells me they know he's innocent. If he were actually guilty, there's no chance they would even put him on the ice. how would the blackhawks know that Kane is innocent?

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Sep 24, 2015 -> 12:13 PM) I dont think its lawful to suspend anyone if they arent actually charged with a crime. The Blackhawks could cut him from the team at any time if they wanted or send him to the bench indefinitely. They might still have to pay out the contract, but there's nothing that could force them to play him.

QUOTE (bmags @ Sep 24, 2015 -> 11:49 AM) When did this happen? Thought I read today that the other german car manufacturers were not affected. I don't think it's related to the VW scandal, it just came out at the same time. http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/201...ceeded-eu-limit The VW scandal does potentially impact Audi and Porsche as they're both owned by VW and share engine platforms on some models (the three have had design relationships going back decades, e.g. the control arms on some 80's Porsches are the same as a Volkswagen Rabbit).

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Sep 24, 2015 -> 11:47 AM) BMW was also hit with this issue on their diesels. Wonder how many other car manufacturers are / were doing this? Right now the reports are just that their X3 diesel is above EU limits. There's no indication of deliberate fraud at this point.

Statistically speaking, their fraud at best caused serious respiratory problems for a number of people and, odds are, resulted in some deaths.

Look at Sonnenfield's article. The merger was criticized heavily from when it was first proposed.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 24, 2015 -> 10:16 AM) Dell has circled the exact same drain. If you think back to even 10 year ago and all of the names that were on PC's then, they are pretty much all gone. The market came and went. The best you can say about Fiorina is that she wasn't solely responsible for HP's decline, but her major acquisition of another failing PC company definitely hastened it. http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/201...eld-2016-213163 edit: and her campaign's response to Sonnenfield's criticism was to libel him.

Buying Compaq, a consumer PC maker, at the end of the PC market certainly didn't help. Failing to get on to any of the emerging trends in tech because you were pursuing that boondoggle really didn't help. Jeffery Sonnenfield has been critical of Fiorina since the 90's, and laid out his case again recently in Politico.