StrangeSox

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 16, 2012 -> 10:47 AM) This just offers more hateful ideology. It isn't hateful or intolerant to oppose and work to eliminate hatred and intolerance.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 16, 2012 -> 10:22 AM) Fighting stereotypes with more stereotypes isn't going to change anything. There are consequences for this both ways. Actions like this don't bridge any gaps, instead only reinforcing them. Actions like what? Posting an image on a message board in a forum a handful of people frequent? I'm not sure how many gaps were bridged during the 60's civil rights fight vs. shaming bigots into the margins. This picture is humorous: but it sort of masks an important issue, which is that those people who look really stupid 40 years on generally didn't repudiate their beliefs, they just stopped being vocal about their racism as society changed around them and younger generations grew up without having it embedded so much in the culture.

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ May 16, 2012 -> 10:45 AM) But you're equating "everyone who thinks LGBT people are living in sin/wrong" with "everyone who thinks LGBT people shouldn't be given equal rights." One does not necessarily lead to the other. How so? The pic you responded to with kitten masturbation jokes specifically says "against LGBT rights."

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ May 16, 2012 -> 10:39 AM) Yes. I'm all about equal rights here, but that includes a persons right to think homosexuality is wrong and a sin and whatever follows from that. I don't think having that viewpoint means that you accept fear/violence/suicide as acceptable reactions to that belief. Equal rights and free speech aren't the same thing, but I agree 100% that people have the right to be homophobic, just as they have the right to be antisemitic or racist or any other sort of bigot. That doesn't mean you can't work to change those mindsets and eliminate hateful ideology, though. These are still the real consequences of opposing LGBT rights regardless of one's personal approval of these consequences.

Anyone who is against LGBT rights is ok with LGBT people being treated as less-than-equal. That's sort of the definition of "against rights"

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 16, 2012 -> 10:08 AM) If you actually practice the love that is in the bible, pretty much all of those would be taboo. But plenty of people who choose to focus on a few lines in Leviticus clearly don't get the same message as you do, so why are you offended when they're called out for the consequences of their bigotry? My brother's boyfriend just had to leave his home in the middle of the night because his ultra-conservative-religious family found out he was gay and were going to send him to a "pray away the gay" camp. They were also having him pray 5 hours a day to remove his sin, made him move home from college and cut off communication with everyone (took phone and computer). His story isn't particularly unique, unfortunately. That's why it isn't an oversimplification to say that those who oppose LGBT rights enable if not more typically advocate for this sort of treatment. That's why its pretty terrible to dismiss real-world suffering with "masturbation kills kittens." Because real people get really hurt, physically and emotionally. They lose friends and their family cuts them out of their lives. They can be fired for being LGBT without recourse. They aren't treated equally in the eyes of the law in a majority of states. They're beaten up and teased and ostracized as children. They're driven to suicide. They're murdered. The quicker this sort of bigotry is gone, the better our society will be. These are the real consequences of it.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 16, 2012 -> 10:03 AM) I am, but I hate fighting stereotypes and ignorance with more stereotypes and ignorance. Telling people who have a religious objection to being gay that they are in favor of people having their heads bashed in doesn't help anything. Well good thing that wasn't the message on all but one (sorta) of those signs?!

I thought you guys were down with LGBT rights?

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 16, 2012 -> 09:59 AM) Opposing rights based on religious reasonings doesn't mean you are in favor of any of those things. It means you're cool with enabling those things, though. Especially since these issues arise from religious bigotry in the first place.

I mean, to me, his insulting dismissal of the very real problems many LGBT face displayed on those signs as equivalent to "masturbation kills kittens" seems like a pretty good illustration of the message of that pic. Both hostility and indifference enable that sort of treatment.

What's being oversimplified there? What's misleading?

Some are, which is why we have things like the Matthew Shepard law. But most of those signs aren't about violence and are about real issues faced by real LGBT people every single day, so I'm really not sure what you're laughing at. It comes across as incredibly callous and oblivious.

I watched this pretty interesting documentary the other night about an American GI who defected to NK in 1962 and has been living there since.

Updated chart of what's fueling the deficit: But we must use this as an opportunity to gut SS and Medicare because benefits may have to be reduced a few decades from now if we don't reduce them immediately.

I think that's at the 50k level.

Boehner is pushing for another debt ceiling showdown. Yeah, it was so great last time.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ May 15, 2012 -> 11:27 AM) LMAO what? You think Jerry and his investors make on-field decisions? They make calls to the pen. Who do you think put Ohman in yesterday?

It shouldn't matter how much he got his ass kicked if they have convincing evidence that he started it.

I guess there was a strike called right before that that wasn't even close, too. Maybe the ump's ego didn't like Lawrie heading down the line before the call was made? http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/article/...-human-element/

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ May 16, 2012 -> 07:23 AM) Brett Lawrie ejected for arguing call, throws his helmet and it richochets up and nails the umpire. Im guessing he will be sitting out for a few http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/7936517/...et-gets-ejected That looked like a pretty terrible call

Why J.P. Morgan's Jamie Dimon Should Resign

GOP-controlled Virginia House rejects a judicial nominee because he's "outspoken on the subject of gay rights"

Here's a good example of how people can be shockingly blind to the privileges they benefit from.

This is just awful: