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QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Jun 13, 2012 -> 01:40 PM) But my point is the skills in those courses don't provide you with anything. College education should be more focused, and SOME schools do that, but not all. "Business" could apply to anything, how can a degree in "business" classes provide you with any skills in the real world? Same with political science. And my point is that they do, the students are just too damn stupid or lazy to understand what it is. College is not just a tax you pay so that you can be given a job when you complete it. I'm sure there are all sorts of things that one can learn in a business program. I listed the real world skills I learned from freaking my History degree, for the love of pete.

QUOTE (bigruss22 @ Jun 13, 2012 -> 01:32 PM) How many students can truly afford a $50k/yr liberal arts degree, probably very few. Students need direction, from HS teachers and advisors, so they don't screw up their life by going to a school they can't afford and a degree that doesn't provide a living, because most high schoolers have no idea how expensive life is without mom and dad's help. Part of this is on the parents, as well. It seems like with many parents working more, there is obviously less parenting going on, which means less-prepared children. But maybe it's like what Frank Gallagher famously said..."Best gift a parent can give is neglect. Neglect fosters self-reliance."

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Jun 13, 2012 -> 12:28 PM) Well, to be fair to those kids, they're being lied to. "Get a college education and your life is amazing" is the message, from teachers to the President. In reality, the education that students receive (for an insane amount of money) doesn't guarantee anyone that, and what's worse is that it barely prepares them for a future career. Specific education in specific fields should be how the system is set up, not a generalized post-high school education like we have now. Two of the most popular majors, Business and Political Science are 100% worthless in trying to get a job. See, this is where I agree with Badger. This is the kids' problem...students go and get these majors and then they come out and expect to go stand in the line where the other Poli Sci majors are at and wait for their job to be handed to them. Use the freaking skills you learned and go apply them to whatever job you can get your hands on. If our college grads aren't seeing this, then they probably shouldn't have gone to college.

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Jun 13, 2012 -> 12:26 PM) I dont know if you were coddled or not. Where I am going with this is people are saying that College should be more focused towards getting people jobs or real world skills, and Im saying there are plenty other places to learn that stuff, it shouldnt be in college. Seems straight forward to me. Well, the problem is, like the last 6 Presidents have done nothing but tell everyone they need to strive to get a college education "to prepare them for the real world." You're acting as if this is the first time you've heard of this concept. So now everyone's been brainstormed that they must attend college otherwise they will be standing in line at the soup kitchen. Meanwhile, the cost of attending college has been shooting up for 25 years while wages have stagnated. I guess maybe the pendulum has just been swung a bit too far.

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Jun 13, 2012 -> 01:21 PM) Why shouldnt I attend a $50k school if I can pay for it? Who are you to tell me how to spend my money and what I can spend it on? People complain about everything. People complain constantly, so we are going to change things to stop people from complaining? Thats ridiculous, so far no one has explained to me why we need to coddle these kids. Its so frustrating, from preschool through law school they just coddle everyone. Such a waste. I have absolutely no idea where you are going with this. Perhaps I was coddled too much?

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Jun 13, 2012 -> 01:12 PM) Im arguing that college should be whatever the person wants it to be. If I dont want to go to college to become prepared for whatever you consider "success" to be, then I shouldnt have to. I should have the freedom to take whatever classes I want, get whatever degree I want and do what I want. If that does not make me prepared for the real world, guess what, that is my problem. Why should I be punished because other people need their hand being held? Success is different for everyone. Success to me isnt about how many 0s are in my paycheck, success to me is about making a meaningful impact on the world, an indelible stain that you did something for the better. So yes, the point of college is to go to a place where hopefully for the first time you are meeting people who are equally thoughtful and intelligent, where you can actually test your mental might, instead of just bludgeoning weaker opponents. College is a place where hopefully you have professors etc, who challenge your preconceived notions and make you wonder what is really possible. If America is to succeed it will not be because we our society is perfect efficient machine, it will because of the creativity that flows from freedom. No real world application, how do you know unless you try? I guess I just dont think that there is a problem with getting classic liberal arts degrees, but you have to be getting them for the right reasons, you have to be okay with the fact that you may not be the richest person on the block. I'm not really sure what you're arguing against... But we have a high school system that primarily prepares everyone to attend college when a good number either aren't interested, aren't intelligent enough, aren't willing or able to pay for college, or some combination of the three. So let's help those kids out too, by teaching them vocational skills instead of making them sit in an English Literature class they have absolutely no interest in.

QUOTE (chw42 @ Jun 13, 2012 -> 12:31 PM) Somebody would have to gift wrap a free iPhone for Joe in order for him to give it a chance. Nah, just wait til he gets out of college and actually has some money to spend...

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 13, 2012 -> 11:31 AM) I know it doesn't apply to all careers, but at least in the field I'm in, I firmly believe there's a huge advantage to a "classical" education, in terms of actually starting to understand how to think and react to opinions, arguments, data, etc. I'm pretty sure all college programs have real-world applications...you've just got to understand what to take from them. I have a history degree, which Steve sort of implied earlier is pretty useless. And it can be. But it taught me how to write and research well, which were good skills to have when I attended law school. In law school, I learned how to analyze data, understand and digest complex subject matter, learn what was important and what wasn't, advanced my speaking and writing skills, etc. These things have helped me immensely in my career, despite not practicing law. I am sure most fields teach particular skills that can be utilized in any career field as well. You just have to understand how to apply them.

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Jun 13, 2012 -> 11:25 AM) Then what is its purpose? You cant teach someone how to make money. Its purpose has obviously become to prepare young people to succeed in the world. What exactly are you trying to argue? That college should be some place for people to go off and ponder and debate high-level ideas, with no real-world applications?

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Jun 13, 2012 -> 11:21 AM) Stop eating McDonald's! I haven't eaten McDonald's in years and years... I prepare almost all of my own meals myself.

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Jun 13, 2012 -> 11:06 AM) Its not the system, its the people. Most American's have amazing opportunities to do whatever they desire. They have the freedom to make mistakes, choose s***ty majors and drift through college expecting that there will be a handout at the end of the day for the money they spent. Well that just isnt it how it works. As for making things in High School shifted, what does that even mean? We start weeding out the intelligence class versus the worker class? College was created to learn high level ideas. It wasnt created so that people can have a well paying job. At some point that has been lost, you should go to college to learn, not a stepping stone to making money. Yeah, and it was originally something that only the most privileged people could do. That is no longer its purpose.

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Jun 13, 2012 -> 10:49 AM) 100% agree. We need to shift our post-high school education model to something that's not dominated by the liberal arts schools. They are good for social development, terrible for career development. It should be shifted before that actually, into high schools. And it is in some areas. There are quite a few high schools out here that focus much more on trades than on college prep.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 13, 2012 -> 11:48 AM) He also requests no roadtrips to Spain. Or to drink in the presence of his sister.

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jun 13, 2012 -> 10:32 AM) I still contend that new posters will be confused as hell about this. The feathered serpent cares not.

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jun 13, 2012 -> 10:28 AM) Because god forbid a 23 year old lefty under team control can develop a pitch or two. The blood of his penis trumps any "pitches" he needs to develop.

QUOTE (Jake @ Jun 13, 2012 -> 11:08 AM) My main worry is that he doesn't really get deep into any ballgames, but I'm still pleasantly surprised. I like the way he goes about things. No fear out there. Well he certainly could if they'd give him a bit more rope...it's not as though his pitch counts have been extremely high...

QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Jun 13, 2012 -> 09:54 AM) 10 hits in less than 6 complete innings though. I didn't see the game so was it grounders finding a hole or hard hit balls? I do say that giving up only one run shows a battler and he didn't panic They hit a few balls well into the gaps or down the line, but certainly not rockets all over the park or anything.

QUOTE (farmteam @ Jun 13, 2012 -> 10:10 AM) This is all very unsurprising. I just want to know if "Chicago" having the best groupies means both the Sox and Cubs, or just one of the two. I am sure it has very little to do with the White Sox.

QUOTE (daa84 @ Jun 13, 2012 -> 09:16 AM) in all seriousness, he looked like a veteran last night. the kid definitely knows how to pitch, and doesn't make many mistakes over the middle of the plate He reminds me of a twins pitcher of the 2000s - stuff is not overwhealming, but was able to locate fastball, change and slider yesterday. Gonna be tough to maintain IMO, but he can definitely be a solid 5th starter in the bigs for a few years, which is something that fetches about 5-6 mil per on the FA market Yeah, he kind of reminds me of a left-handed Nick Blackburn, in terms of stuff. Hopefully he can be a bit more consistent than Blackburn.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jun 13, 2012 -> 08:03 AM) His true form revealed Well, this is the form he assumed when he pitches

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jun 13, 2012 -> 08:51 AM) I wouldn't go that far. He looks pretty good, but once some of these guys get multiple looks at him, his ERA is bound to go up. I'm hopeful he can fill the Humber role in the rotation this year and grow . Nothing too spectacular, if he becomes a solid #5 or #4 for several seasons, we should all be thrilled. I do think what PK said is true though...he has a "heavy" fastball that he gets in on right handers...that will serve him very well along with that backdoor breaking ball he throws.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jun 13, 2012 -> 07:35 AM) Wasn't it less than a month ago you thought the Sox wouldn't be able to produce a 5th starter type pitcher for years? And then it was being argued again last night when I suggested we would find another one for next year.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 12, 2012 -> 09:38 PM) More evidence tonight why Peralta should be back to playing 3B and not SS. But with Cabrera and Fielder ensconced on the corners, they have 4 DH's already if you include Victor Martinez. The problem is that 3 of them are playing the infield. To me, the answer is to get a defensive ss and replace Peralta. They don't need his bat at the expense of that glove at one of the most important positions on the diamond. They should acquire two defensive studs to play ss and second, and when they get Austin Jackson and Avila back, they can probably live with what they get from the two fattys at the corners and Mr Young in left.

QUOTE (Baron @ Jun 12, 2012 -> 09:33 PM) So you expect Gavin to keep pitching like he has been? Honestly, I have no idea what to expect from Gavin...Trust me, I certainly hope he improves as much as anyone. I've seen a lot of posters express though that his hot streak should be coming soon...I am inclined to believe he already had it, actually.