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QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Nov 13, 2011 -> 04:55 AM) Q, you're in college, why the f*** you on soxtalk right now? Andrew, you back in NY yet? Shack...go Andy Dalton! And those are the people on ST right now. Yes! I'm stuck at work, so I'm studying today's games... What's your angle?

QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Nov 13, 2011 -> 04:16 AM) It's funny man, cause I honestly barely look at stats at all when it comes to football cause I watch every game, every week, but when you said a couple weeks ago that you thought the Cowboys are one of the better teams in the NFL, I laughed but I actually think you got a safe bet this week. You'll be ok on that one. Well if you look at their yards per play on offense, and their yards per play given up on defense, they are one of the best teams in the NFL. They average 6.4 ypp against teams that would give up 5.4 ypp against an average team, so they are amongst the elite teams when it comes to moving the play on offense. They outgain their opponents by roughly 70 yards per game, and yet they've only outscored their opponents by about .5 points per game. As a comparison, the Packers only outgain their opponents by about 18 yards per game and yet we all know their record... The Cowboys have just had trouble getting the ball into the end zone and of course, Romo has struggled in some key situations this year (the Lions' game was a disaster). But Romo is healthy again, and DeMarco Murray is a stud, and if they can just stop shooting themselves in the foot their talent will eventually start manifesting itself. Of course, there are always teams that refuse to allow this to happen for whatever reason (read the 2010 Chargers). Anyways, the public is leaning heavily on the Bills, which tells you something since the Cowboys are a very public team, but I am going to lean with the Cowboys anyways.

I don't watch a ton of boxing, but I do know that when you're the challenger to the longtime champ at anything, you have to decisively defeat him to expect the win, and even then, if you leave it the a decision, you're setting yourself up to be disappointed. You'd better either knock his ass down more than you went down yourself, or completely smoke his ass if you expect to win in a decision. Doesn't sound like either of those things took place here...

QUOTE (bigruss22 @ Nov 13, 2011 -> 03:56 AM) Did a case race in 40 mins, had 10 of the beers (supposed to be 6 each), and then had a bottle of wine that my neighbor brought over but I drank. I should be much more drunk, instead Im just tipsy. I have tolerance issues. You'll admit tomorrow when you wake up that you were pretty hammered.... I see your movie every weekend, Russ

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Nov 13, 2011 -> 01:39 AM) You couldn't post a hot ring girl?

QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Nov 13, 2011 -> 01:34 AM) I literally started to quote this to try and argue with one of your bets, and I found nothing I disagree with... EDIT: The only one I'd be kind of skeptical on is the Bears -2.5. The Dallas pick is a bit frightening because they always underperform their ypp stats...and they also play for s*** at home, but I am banking on them finally putting together a 60 minute game here against the Bills, who aren't nearly as good on the road as they are at home.

So every year the Las Vegas Hilton Superbook has a contest to see who can pick the highest percentage of games (you must pick 3 per week) against the spread over the course of a full season. Some of the best handicappers in the world enter this contest. The list of teams chosen can be found on the internet usually, which is a good source, because it will tell you who all best handicappers (the sharps) like. This week, there are 27 people picking Houston at -3.5 against only 2 picking Tampa. That's a pretty strong indicator. I actually like Tampa getting the points...this is sort of a let down spot for Houston with big games coming up in the next couple weeks. Just kind of something fun to keep an eye on.

QUOTE (FlaSoxxJim @ Nov 12, 2011 -> 11:08 PM) Honestly, about the funniest request a bartender can get is, "Long Island Iced Tea. . . And make it strong.". if made to specs, there is hardly a stronger drink out there, an ounce each of rum, gin, vodka, tequila and triple sec goes into the drink, plus some lemon juice, simple syrup, and cola. if anything, Jager shots are a safe harbor from Long Islands.

QUOTE (Tex @ Nov 12, 2011 -> 10:07 PM) The first responsibility is to be certain no further abuse is happening. I believe that has happened. The victims are not Penn State students. Shutting down the program would not prevent one of the employees from further abusing a kid. Unless I missed something, it seems like the most attention should be on the foundation, not Penn State, to prevent further abuse. This was a former employee using a facility. Is it really much different than shutting down a hotel he might have used? Or did I miss how he was accessing 10 year-olds through a University? Now if new evidence uncovers additional abusers at the university, then they need to be prosecuted. I just do not see how firing secretaries, trainers, media liaisons, travel secretaries, ticket agents, grounds crew, all who had nothing to do with this will help anyone. I'm not sure we can be sure none of them had anything to do with any of this. This recruiting issue has opened up an even bigger Pandora's Box in regards to just how many people were involved in this and I don't know how you can determine who had what to do with what without the investigation I mentioned. I'm sorry Tex, but child rape sort of trumps economics and sports as far as I am concerned. Until there is not a SLIVER OF DOUBT remaining that this can never happen again, do you start worrying about the jobs held by the media liasons and the ticket agents. I'm not sure how you can ascertain that without doing a full-scale investigation and corresponding house-cleaning first. Tough luck.

QUOTE (FlaSoxxJim @ Nov 12, 2011 -> 09:23 PM) So what kind of culture shock would a Class of '89 like me have if I went back for a visit? Heck, I was devastated when I heard Deluxe closed and I couldn't go back and shoot pool and eat awesome fish sandwiches. Green St. Now I'm sure I wouldn't even recognize. Jim, enlighten IlliniKrush as to the drunkfest Long Islands are...

Finally starting to get a handle on this year's NFL season... Hit a big bet last week on the Bears with the Bears ML and over the total. Dallas -5.5 over Buffalo St Louis +3 over Cleveland Denver+150 outright over KC Seattle +7 vs Baltimore Chicago -2.5 over Detroit NYG +3.5 vs SF NE +2 vs NYJ Minnesota +13 vs GB

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Nov 12, 2011 -> 09:22 AM) So I've had Verizon for a week and I haven't has less than full bars yet. Let us know when the bill comes

QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Nov 12, 2011 -> 11:35 AM) I don't see money as the issue for this team. I know others do, but we already pay that $12M or so a year anyway to MB. Offer a couple million more and four years and it's not going to break the bank, but might keep our core nucleus together and mix in younger players and we will stay in contention. Slippery slope. You know better than this.

QUOTE (Marty34 @ Nov 12, 2011 -> 04:56 PM) Give me a name of a current player who you think his peak can resemble. The guy that comes to my mind, from an offensive standpoint, would be someone like Adrian Beltre.

QUOTE (Tex @ Nov 12, 2011 -> 03:27 PM) Teams replace coaching staffs all the time and do not take a year off. Universities replace Presidents frequently and keep operating. I'm not suggesting that a crime did not occur, this does seem pretty damn slam dunk. But these are poor kids and you know how poor people will make up anything for money, just read the Cain thread. I believe there needs to be a full investigation and all the guilty people punished. Rushing to punish, which is much different than rushing to protect, leads to mistakes. No one is saying anything has to be rushed. Throughout the entire thread I have been pushing for people to reserve judgment until more of the facts are known. But when you start having recruits come forward saying Sandusky was at their spring game last year, that implicates the entire program in a much darker cloud than had previously been the case. I'm still in favor of letting the facts sort themselves out, but it's getting more and more apparent that this could be one slimy, sick mess. Finish the games this year, for all I care. Then suspend the program and do a full-scale investigation, collect the facts, make a measured determination of what needs to be done to make sure this never happens again, that it could never happen again, and then you implement it. One would assume it wouldn't happen so quickly as to not miss a beat, but who knows...It's not a matter of punishment, Tex. It's a matter of responsibility.

@Ben_Jones88

QUOTE (Tex @ Nov 12, 2011 -> 07:18 AM) Ask yourself why a university wants a division 1 football program. Is it just to allow the program to help itself and not anything else at the university? The D1 program enhances the curb appeal of the university. It enhances its prestige. When Dr. Barry Marshall accepted a position at Penn State, do you think people opened up their checkbooks and made a donation? Did thousands of students dream of one day attending Penn State? Did Marshall appear on TV every Saturday around the state in a three hour recruiting infomercial? When you build a case that the university should drop the football program, you are negating all the good an athletic program is for a university at large and agreeing with those that believe they serve no purpose except to themselves. If that is the case, then every university should drop athletics and focus solely on their academic mission. They gain nothing from an athletic program and risk losing. Why bother? To punish a music student or math major because of the failings of a few people, who are being punished, and who would not be punished any further by the closing of the program, a closing that would not help any of the victims, and extends the list of innocent victims is wrong. Come on, Tex. I'm not saying kill the program for good. But this thing is a mess. I'm saying IF it turns out that this has been some massive conspiracy where a pedophile has been allowed to use the football program as a vehicle to molest children, with the knowledge of the coaching staff, the AD, the President, etc., then the program needs to be shut down indefinitely, until it can be absolutely assured that everyone that had any knowledge or involvement with this has been weeded out and discarded. I don't care if every other sport at the University has to shut down for a year. No sporting event, no team, no athlete, no fan, no revenue stream is worth risking that anything like this can ever happen again at Penn State University or any other university, for that matter.

CNNSI Thought this was worth reading, as it's illustrative of some of the points Badger has been making.

QUOTE (Tex @ Nov 12, 2011 -> 05:47 AM) Would you say the same thing if it was the Boston Red Sox? Sometimes life just isn't fair, Tex. If this kind of thing was really being allowed to happen for the last 13 years with everyone's knowledge, it's a sacrifice the innocent are going to have to make.

QUOTE (IlliniKrush @ Nov 12, 2011 -> 01:43 AM) Holy f*** grow a pair, at least drink a jager bomb or a beer. Long Island's pack a hell of a wallop...Next time you come to Vegas, head to Toby Keith's place and get the Long Island out of the mason jar and see if you can get past 3 of them without falling down...then come talk to me about you Jager Bomb...Sheesh

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Nov 11, 2011 -> 11:06 PM) Need some PC help. Wife's laptop will no longer launch Firefox. I tried several times. It doesn't even show up in the task manager. Uninstalled it and tried re-downloading and it won't install after the download completes. It doesn't even appear in the download folder. Tried downloading Chrome and it won't even start downloading. Get a "Application cannot be started. Contact the application vendor" message. Anyone have suggestions on what could be causing this? When that s*** happened to me I would always try to restart from a point when I knew things were working correctly, or if that didn't work, I would uninstall and reinstall Windows.

QUOTE (MAX @ Nov 11, 2011 -> 09:37 PM) I just read the second half of this thread today. Madness. The things I do when I'm bored at work. I have very little to add other than its great to see everyone finally took a step back to wait for more evidence and reliable information. Most of the aguing was based on incomplete knowledge of the situation, though it seems a lot of those involved aren't willing to admit that. Personally, everything I know about the case is from this thread. I can't wrap my mind around how all of the proposed facts would fit together. It just does not make sense to me. I think the news that Sandusky was still recruiting for PSU pretty much tells you everything you need to know. Unless he was just taking some crazy, rogue trips on his own, I think the fact that he was recruiting in an official capacity for PSU is the tipping point for me. But the news station breaking the story, as well as the recruit and his father, seemed so oblivious to the importance of this revelation that I am just not sure Sandusky was in an official capacity yet. We'll find out.

QUOTE (Tex @ Nov 11, 2011 -> 08:01 PM) Just reacting to the suggestion that PSU football be shut down for a long time. I think it is a great suggestion. Close the stadium, send the players out to find other universities, or better yet pay for their own degrees. There really isn't any value to the university at large in having a football program. Best part is once the revenue from the football program is gone, they can finally drop all those non revenue producing sports like baseball, tennis, fencing, and anything that has to do with women. Turn the facilities into something the student body can really use. I know you're being sarcastic here...but if this plays out like many think it may, there is no doubt that shutting the football program down for at least the remainder of this year, removing every vestige of the staff that had anything to do with this, and starting over from scratch either next year, or perhaps even in 2013, is certainly something that would not be overreacting. If you're talking about a conspiracy that goes up and down the entire staff of this program, which enabled a child molester to continue his predation both on campus at the PSU facilities, off campus with the support of PSU funding, and on behalf of PSU in an official capacity on recruiting trips, then yeah, some 9 years after it was clear this man was sodomizing boys in your facilities, this whole program should be shut down until the horror that has occurred there can be sucked out of every dark crevice and a new program can be restarted that is so f***ing clean, it makes BYU look like the SMU programs of the early 1980's.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Nov 11, 2011 -> 06:54 PM) This coming out whenever it came out was going to ruin the program. They choose to keep it hush, hush. Make everything appear normal, except not let Sandusky bring kids on campus anymore. The chose trying to protect Penn State's, Joe Pa's and the football team's reputation rather than trying to protect innocent kids. They are all scum. Joe Pa included. They could have just fired Sandusky and banned him from campus and tried to cover it up on their own though. Firing Sandusky would not have appeared abnormal. So why continue to allow the guy access to the University? It just doesn't add up.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 11, 2011 -> 06:52 PM) I mean, he can't exactly force the team to let him recruit on behalf of the team, the only reason why they'd do that is if they thought he'd be an asset in the process. What I was saying is that under that theory, allowing him to stick around despite his status as a child molester would at least presume he was so incredibly gifted at his job that he was irreplaceable and the football program couldn't maintain it's tradition of excellence without him. I've read he was a great coach, but I don't think he was so incredibly valuable to the team that it would enter into their minds that if we were to lose this guy, we would fall off the map. The point about recruiting in an official capacity goes to story from this afternoon - if they truly were using him to recruit from an official capacity, and not as some weirdo rogue pervert still going on recruiting trips on his own, than they may as well have kept him on the coaching staff.