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And people think our country is bad concerning rape/rape victims: http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/br...d-dubai-9284516 Woman gets gang-raped, reports it and then is charged with a crime of extra-marital sex!

QUOTE (illinilaw08 @ Nov 18, 2016 -> 10:01 AM) Here's the only rationale I can consider for why you keep Groce around until 2018, regardless of results. The '17 class is a large recruiting class for Illinois in terms of numbers - right now it's a 4 man class, and there are still two open scholarships. The '18 class, by contrast, is going to be small. To the extent that you are worried about losing not just Tilmon, but Frazier and Williams as well if Groce is fired (and this is all speculation on my part), then you go into the '17-'18 season with a new coach and 9 scholarship players. Plus hypothetical new coach is behind on the '18 class, and you are talking about a long rebuild. Once the kids are in school and have to deal with a sit out year, they are less likely to transfer. If Williams and Frazier are solid regardless of coach, then the above is probably moot, but you can't end up with an empty '17 recruiting class. I don't know that is a good argument, but it's certainly something to take into account when deciding on Groce's future. Hopefully this is all moot and this team comfortably makes the tournament... Aren't you stuck with the one year sit out after signing the NLI?

QUOTE (bigruss22 @ Nov 18, 2016 -> 09:51 AM) Yea I did, good call. I find their site easier to navigate so my bad on that. But dude, you brought up Weber's recruiting and a huge part of that is that 8 of 10 of his last players recruited didn't make it to year 3 at Illinois. Throw rankings out of the window at that point, that's terrible recruiting/coaching/development, unless you're Kentucky and it meant they were all NBA draft picks. I 100% agree that Groce has been a major disappointment, and I'll continue to say that if Groce doesn't make the tournament this year then he's gone. In fact, I'll say if he doesn't make the tournament this year and next he should be gone. There are no more excuses at this point. Yeah, I'm still not sure that next year is going to be any better. Really have to see a jump from Black and JCL I think.

QUOTE (bigruss22 @ Nov 18, 2016 -> 09:47 AM) Jenks, did I not just say a few posts up that if they don't make the tournament that he should be fired? You're right, sorry. I was molding your post and another's together.

QUOTE (bigruss22 @ Nov 18, 2016 -> 09:30 AM) I don't necessarily disagree with your points but quite frankly I'm shocked that you didn't say you wished JT went elsewhere so that Groce's fate was sealed. Your hate for Groce knows no bounds Groce classes: 2017: class 8th (incomplete) 2016: class 101 2015: class 16 2014: class 55 2013: class 14 Those Weber classes 2012: Nothing 2011: Abrams (65), Egwu (76), Shaw (64), Henry (63), Langford (159), Ibby (NR) - class 10 2010: Richmond (29), Leonard (30), Head (80) - class 11 2009: Richardson (97), Paul (101), Griffey (103), Bertrand (122) - class 38 2008: class 152 2007: class 33 2006: class 42 2005: class 56 2004: class 49 So in Weber's last 4 years he was barely doing as well as Groce is now. Yes, 2 top 30 players was impressive in 2010. That said, we had 8 early departures from the 2010 and 2011 classes (with only 1 going to the NBA) and nobody in the 2012 class, just awfulness there. It's crazy how badly Weber burned this program down. Groce has a slight pulse again, we shall see if he can continue to build upward. Ok, Ron Guenther. Haven't we learned that keeping coaches around for an extra season or two is a terrible way to go? Turner, Zook, Weber. All program killers. You don't wait to fire the coach until you hit rock bottom. You try to salvage a decent roster with a new coach and hope they can swing it around without having to do a full rebuild. And that's what sucks about Groce - he had decent players and then recruited decent players right away. And yet they've still sucked. Groce should be fired after this season if they don't make the tournament. Plain and simple. He's done poorly his last 3 seasons. And it's not even just missing the tournament, it's getting worse year by year. He's had some tough recruiting losses, he's had a bevy of awful injuries and he's had some s***ty off the court drama to deal with. All sucks for him, but making the tournament should not be hard for this program. Missing a tournament bid is bad enough, missing it three seasons in a row is unacceptable.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Nov 10, 2016 -> 11:31 AM) I'm ok with this. Shorter drive to the beach.

Hey, pretty topical. I agree with something Jon Stewart says: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/n...for-branding-d/

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Nov 17, 2016 -> 06:36 AM) Rumors about Nintendo Switch's year 1 lineup sounds incredible. New 3D Mario (64 style), new open-world Zelda, Pokémon, updated versions of Mario Kart 8 & Splatoon, Pikman 4, a new game from Retro Studios, and a brand new IP. If you didn't own a Wii U, and let's be honest very few did, this could be an incredible system. And at the rumored $250 price point, this system might just sell extremely well. Ha. Nintendo release schedules. Ha. Fool me once...

Grant looks like a baller. Great instincts on defense. Bulls cruising.

QUOTE (CanOfCorn @ Nov 15, 2016 -> 04:08 PM) Because, like it or not, we are citizens of the Earth more than ever, Jenks. We can get to the other side of the world in less than a day. We can connect with people on the other side of the world instantly. We buy and sell goods around the world. If they lose trust, that's a problem. Did you see that France might charge a carbon tax on imports if Trump pulls out of the Paris Agreement? That's a problem. And that's why it matters. It matters to a degree, sure. But we are still far and away the best military partner any of our allies have, we're still one of the best trade partners for a lot of these countries, and more to my point, it's not like these countries aren't themselves (1) being swept up in populist movements, (2) free of having made some embarrassing choices when it comes to their political leaders.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Nov 15, 2016 -> 11:56 AM) Gives up? I would think she would have been reprogrammed, i dont think it would be voluntary I mean that's a possibility I suppose, but that leaves us going through a season or more of a storyline that just gets wiped away with a reset button. That's just poor story telling if that's where they're going with it.

QUOTE (CanOfCorn @ Nov 14, 2016 -> 09:18 AM) Look, I'm not upset Sec. Clinton is not the President. She wasn't my favorite, and I think she would have done a fine job. What I AM upset about is that the GOP allowed this clown to get as far as he did and that we, as a country, actually allowed him to be elected. I have had visceral reactions seeing pictures of him, whether it's in the Oval Office with our current President or just walking down the hall with a headline stating "President-Elect." Will he ruin the country? No. Will he do all the things he said? No. Will he be impeached? Maybe. But, this country is no longer the gold standard. Other countries are mocking us. Ireland, Scotland, France and Germany have all denounced or lightly scolded our choice. It makes me sad that some of the same voters that chastised Carter, Clinton and Obama for lack of experience, didn't care with Trump. I will always respect the Office of the President, but this is the first time in my life that I haven't had ANY respect for the man that will occupy that office. Except for the bit about what the rest of the world thinks (1. who cares? 2. pot meet kettle) I agree with everything you say. This isn't the first time we've elected a bad President. And it won't be the last.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Nov 15, 2016 -> 07:07 AM) I am just eating Westworld up. I think we have three timelines going on here. Real Arnold (seen as Bernard) interviewing Dolores "back in the day". Jimmi Simpson (William) as young Ed Harris discovering a world that will take over his life. Present-Day - Ed Harris (old William), all the other stuff happening right now with Ford and Maeve I love love love it. Three episodes left. The only problem with the Young William/Old William scenario is that we would have to believe that at the end of the Young William/Dolores adventure, she basically gives up on her new found freedom and reverts back to being a dumb host as she is portrayed in Episode 1 with Old William. I like the idea of a "real" Bernard though.

Wow, Westworld. Great stuff.

So it must be a done deal that he's gone. Some of the insider Illini guys on Twitter (Jeremy Werner) are basically saying it without saying it outright.

QUOTE (juddling @ Nov 10, 2016 -> 04:08 PM) ---One question may be why the public ignored a very legitimate complaint about Trump — his terrible behavior with women. A big part of the problem was that the Democrats were, quite possibly, in the worst position to make a big deal out of it. The party that spent decades overlooking Ted Kennedy’s behavior and JFK's and Chris Dodd’s behavior and Bill Clinton’s behavior, the party that saw Joe Biden’s tendency to get handsy with women as endearing had absolutely no leg to stand on with Republicans and independents. Trump bringing Bill Clinton’s accusers to the fore — derided as a stunt — actually worked. Because it reminded many voters that the Democrats rarely give a damn when their own politicians do everything Trump was accused of. Until you start calling out your own political allies, sexual harassment and abuse by politicians will be tolerated. That was as true this year as it was in 1998 Thank you. Well said.

To be clear, my point about the sexism stuff being overblown is the ferocity with which people complain about it, not that it was right/wrong/acceptable. We literally celebrate Bill Clinton and ignore that he was the same guy, using his position to take advantage of at least one woman, and rape or abuse others as claimed. If we're consistent, if you voted for/support Bill Clinton, you're a sexist. That's the logic train here with Trump. I think both positions are bulls***.

QUOTE (CrimsonWeltall @ Nov 10, 2016 -> 04:03 PM) The complaints about the leaked tape WEREN'T about language. That was the icing on the cake. His comments about not respecting women and being a sexist was brought up way before that based on his lewd language. Come on.

QUOTE (bmags @ Nov 10, 2016 -> 04:00 PM) He was being sarcastic. For your hypothetical to work, the entire criticism of Trump and women would be based off of his howard stern interviews. But they are not about those, they are about the tape where he talks about forcing himself on women because he's famous. I'm saying it was highly inappropriate of him to do that and morally objectionable and if you feel offended by it, hey, that's your right. Just don't pretend like we don't condone that s*** in other areas. And yes, I was absolutely serious about a President celebrating rap artists who say similar terrible things. Or the fact that we all still watch wife-beaters on NFL or NBA teams. Or, ya know, prior Presidents.

QUOTE (CrimsonWeltall @ Nov 10, 2016 -> 03:56 PM) Oh, like you've never used the word p****, SS. I bet you listen to a bunch of gangsta rappers who say things way worse. Ha, good point. Forgot about that. Our President and First Lady have had countless numbers of those people in the White House as role models and first class citizens. But, ya know, #itsdifferent.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Nov 10, 2016 -> 03:50 PM) I haven't bragged about sexually assaulting women. Pretty f***ed up if you have imo. I haven't and I don't find it acceptable. However I'm not going to lie and stand on my soap box and pretend like i haven't said/thought something that objectifies or sexualizes women in a way that i'm not particularly proud of. We all do and if you say you haven't you're full of s***. We were all 12 years old once.

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Nov 10, 2016 -> 03:47 PM) My bigger problem is if youre a party that wants to legislate morality/religion, you should actually hold yourself accountable. A bit hypocritical to be talking about laws on marriage, when you are running a President who has been married multiple times. Not sure if history books still go back before the year 2000, but there was a time when "divorce" was against the law in many European countries. Damn Henry VIII and his progressive/ liberal values. Hey that's true, I don't disagree. I'm just tired of the sexism nonsense when we literally had the exact same "predator" type guy in office for 8 years in the 90's and i'm sure there are stories about Kennedy and Johnson.

QUOTE (CrimsonWeltall @ Nov 10, 2016 -> 03:45 PM) That's 52% of white women. He lost women as a whole by 12 points (54-42). You're right, good catch. That's still a significant figure.

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Nov 10, 2016 -> 03:43 PM) Perhaps you can give me pointers later when my young daughter asks why the President says he can grab women by the p****y. Yeah, just be sure you tell her honestly the things you've said and thought about women in your own life. Cuz i'm sure it's been all saintly and respectable. Oh, and make sure you bring up that the 42nd President is/was the exact same.

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Nov 10, 2016 -> 03:38 PM) Remember that time everyone in America got tricked into thinking that it was all about a "race" fight when really they should be having a "class" fight. One day, someone will wake up and realize that while everyone was fighting some mythical "race" war, the elites were taking all of the money and all of the power. Rich businessman who inherited millions now "people's champion", the great defender of American industry, who almost exclusively uses foreign industry for his own products. Not saying that Clinton is any different, but, you are basically watching people hand over their money to the extreme wealthy, and they are doing it with a big grin thinking that they somehow won. If I wanted to be super selfish about everything, I doubt that Trump will in anyway hurt me. But you know me, that damn "liberal", I have to have this stupid conscience where I try and do what I think is best for everyone. They've always had it.