JUSTgottaBELIEVE

And that was my point. Even a great organization like the Dodgers makes many mistakes in trades so the Sox list you cited just isn't all that unique. Could make a similar list for basically every team if going back 15 years.

Since the trade, Cease has produced ~18fWAR, Quintana ~13 fWAR, and Eloy ~4 fWAR. At the time of the trade I never would have predicted Eloy would be by far the least productive of the 3 main pieces involved.

And how about Josh Fields and Casey Blake? Because those were the returns for Yordan Alvarez and Carlos Santana. Pretty bad.

Maybe I’m wrong but wouldn’t most teams have a list similar to this if you look back over the past 15 years? Even a great org like the Dodgers has traded prospects Yordan Alvarez and Carlos Santana away in that timeframe (both were absolutely brutal trades), among many others I’m sure. It’s not so much that the Sox have traded away prospects that went on to have success but it’s that when they have they haven’t acquired enough talent in return and/or been competitive enough to make it count.

It’s very unlikely you’re getting a special player in return for Robert now or in the future

Tanner Banks

Getz did trade a 32 year old reliever with very little mlb track record a few months ago for a 45 FV prospect.

Bergolla and Perez are 45 FV

Lefty pitchers always seem to have a longer life expectancy than you’d imagine

If Jerry gives you a mandate to reduce payroll to under $50M I suppose you have to work at the fringes to find competent major leaguers to avoid another single season loss record.

Phillies were dead as soon as they signed Kepler. Reds, Dodgers, and Astros are the top 3 suitors imo.

Why not sign Harrison Bader? He’ll be cheap and he’s a better defender than Robert.

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2024/12/dodgers-exploring-alternatives-to-teoscar-hernandez.html Robert piece is interesting as I’m surprised about the speculation that Robert could be less pricey to acquire than Suzuki in a trade.

Freeland and Ryan please and yes I know Ryan will miss the 2025 season

If Smith is involved, the Sox aren’t get much else. Like the trade I proposed earlier in this thread.

Sure — 2.4 fWAR for me

I think the Astros likely say no to that deal as well but that’s where I’d start if I’m Getz. Astros are still in win now mode after signing Walker and pulled Valdez off the trade market.

It appears the Astros are still planning to compete. Their outfield is complete trash right now. Give me Smith + Leon + Whitcomb and I’m calling it a day.

lol, I would too but what’s the point of having a guy like Robert on the team when they’re going to lose 100+ games the next two seasons anyways?

…waiting for the replies that Buxton is also a terrible comparison…

Oh, here’s maybe the best comp of all: Byron Buxton. Better than Robert on both a counting and rate basis. Signed a contract for 7/$100M three years ago. Now, I’ll give you inflation makes that $100M number probably closer to $120M in today’s dollars. But even inflation adjusted, that’s ~$17M AAV. Robert is making ~$18M AAV over the next three seasons. Again, there’s surplus value there because he’s locked up for 3 seasons instead of the 7 that Buxton is but geez I don’t think it’s as big as many are portraying it to be.

Well, I’m looking at this list and see that Bryan Reynolds has a higher fWAR than Robert. This is a guy that signed a 8/$107M contract about a year and a half ago when he was 28 years old. Mind you, it bought out two arbitration years so let’s say it was really a 6/$85M extension (~$14M AAV). Seems pretty cheap for a guy ahead of Robert on this list. “Oh but his rate stats suck by comparison.” Ok but a track record of being available to actually play matters in the free agent market.

And giving a player props for rate stats when he misses 35% of a season on average is nice and all but I think teams actually like it when guys are available to play rather than on and off the IL every couple months.

I’m not sure what this proves? Is a 3.8 fWAR differential over 4.5 seasons really that significant? Hell, Bellinger could very well close that after this season if Robert posts another 0.5 fWAR season. I mean, Cedric Mullins has a higher fWAR over the same span lol

So Robert’s trajectory is unaltered by his 2024 injury and performance (or lack thereof)? Seems convenient and foolish imo. And again, fine throw out 2019, Bellinger finished 10th in MVP voting and was a 4.4 fWAR player in 2023 after the injury you keep focusing on. Robert has only had one season better than that…