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Agreed. I don’t understand the fascination with Mayo. He’ll be lucky to produce 2 fWAR seasons even if he hits 40 bombs because of his defensive shortcomings. I really hope the Sox steer clear of him if they make a trade with Baltimore. I’m far more interested in Basallo as I see him turning into a young Carlos Santana type player albeit with a lower OBP. I don’t think he was ever great at it but Santana spent quite a bit of time catching his first several years in the league.

^admittedly, I haven’t seen Mayo play 3b but I saw an awful lot of these types of posts from Orioles fans over the last two months of the season. Sounds to me like he isn’t even serviceable at 3b without dramatic improvements.

And at age 24, there is a slim to none chance Mayo has 53 bombs and .941 OPS like Alonso did

Mayo has very similar minor league numbers to Robert at similar ages albeit with more ABs because even in the minors Robert had trouble staying healthy. The one concern many had with Robert in the minors was his strikeout rate, which also happens to be very similar to Mayo’s. Robert has been a good but not great hitter in mlb and still has strikeout issues. The problem is Robert’s career 790 OPS in MLB wouldn’t play all that well if he was an average defensive 1b like I expect from Mayo. Yes, it would be an upgrade from Vaughn but not a game changer by any means.

True, it isn’t that high. His career MLB K rate (~23%) is below Mayo’s career Milb K rate (~25%).

Unless he’s the second coming of Pete Alonso, that RHH 1b with a high K rate just isn’t that valuable. Even then, Alonso has only averaged 3.3 fWAR/162 games played in his career. Good but not great. And this is a guy that drops ~40 bombs each season.

And I don’t recall Frank Thomas or Paul Konerko striking out like Coby Mayo does at any level. His K rate is a huge red flag imo.

And Vaughn was supposed to be that quality RHH 1b. I don’t want another Vaughn, even if it’s a slightly improved version.

I agree with you. I think the Red Sox and Phillies are far better matches for Crochet.

Considering the Orioles window is NOW, I sure hope their answer is $60M over the next two years. I’d take it a step further. If the Orioles don’t make a deep playoff run within the next two years, this current rebuild of theirs will be a complete flop and they’ll be starting over shortly thereafter anyways..

lol, wat? Who said that??? I’m referring to the White Sox trade partner in a Crochet deal.

Why not both? Compete right now and maintain competitiveness for a long window like the Phillies or Dodgers?

Montas signs for 2/$34M, Boyd signs for 2/$29M. Starting pitchers, even with checkered recent histories, getting paid. Should continue to increase the value of someone like Crochet, although I think the Cubs are now out of the Crochet sweepstakes if they were ever in it as a darkhorse.

I’d take Bohm over Zavala and Steven Wilson as 3rd/4th pieces in a trade because I think they could flip Bohm for better pieces than Zavala and Wilson

Headliner? Wtf, who said that? Third piece fine.

Another RHH 1b/DH type. Not the kind of guy I want leading this trade.

I think they’re going to try offering Mayo as the headliner and I really hope the Sox don’t take the bait.

Are you?

If they land those two, that’s the deal, not the start of a larger package. And getting those two for Crochet would be a great deal for the White Sox imo.

Good point and, since this is the Robert thread, Madrigal’s fWAR per PA in a Sox uniform was nearly the same as Luis Robert’s. Scary thought I know.

Agreed on higher ceiling but that doesn’t change my point. Sometimes the floor matters too for a team that is looking to win now.

Bohm has a career 7.7 fWAR, Robert has a career 12.5 fWAR. Bohm is coming off a far better season than Robert. Bohm is cheaper than Robert the next two seasons. Bohm has a better track record of staying healthy compared to Robert. I don’t think their trade values are as different as you seem to think.

I don’t mind Abreu as a second piece in a trade but I also understand the thought process of acquiring prospects only and not any players that have already accrued some service time.

The problem is the odds of getting the 2023 version of Robert in 2025 is like hoping for the 2019 version of Moncada in 2021 and on. False hope, very likely not happening. He might bounce back a bit from his 2024 season like Moncada did in 2021 but it won’t be enough imo to improve his trade value much once you factor in the half season less of control. There just isn’t going to be much value there whether you trade him now or in July. The Phillies are basically looking to dump Bohm coming off a 3.5 FWAR season partly because he’s projected to make ~$8M in 2025 and ~$12M in 2026 via arbitration. In a straight up trade for Bohm, you’re probably getting a 50 FV and 40/45 FV prospect in return. This is about what I’d expect for Robert right now as well as in July even if he bounces back a bit.

The surplus value of Crochet must be off the charts when a guy like Kikuchi is getting 3/$63M