quickman

no sammy for the first two games, ha, looks like people will have to come to the game and watch the sox bullpen fail.

QUOTE(JimH @ May 11, 2005 -> 03:27 AM) Don't be surprised if they DL him. And then who? Bajenaru I guess. god we need winners not prospects or aging minor leaguers

QUOTE(JimH @ May 11, 2005 -> 03:26 AM) Team effort. Konerko bad decision to not throw home. stop this, bullpen needs to save bullpen gave up the runs to tie and the run that won the game. Bullpen lost it. sorry you won't convince me otherwise.

QUOTE(JimH @ May 11, 2005 -> 03:24 AM) They have been flat in these last two games, anyone want to hazard a guess why? cheetah club

QUOTE(JimH @ May 11, 2005 -> 03:22 AM) And if my aunt had balls she'd be my uncle. We can play "what if" forever. You have a GM who won't sit still for underperforming very long, this is not Schueler. Manuel was a guy who always played match ups, people hated him. Every other team in the league has bullpen issues, at least the White Sox have some depth. If shingo is continually f***ing up, they will DL him ... as a start. well I will break his arm if they need me too.

QUOTE(qwerty @ May 11, 2005 -> 03:17 AM) Two quick lead-off walks then a home run to their eight hole hitter? That plays into the loss as much as anything else in my opinion. last time I checked we were up 6-4 in the 7th. bullpen lost the game. Contraras didn't pitch well but he was out by the time we grabbed the lead.

QUOTE(fathom @ May 11, 2005 -> 03:16 AM) So you think Everett should stay in the 3rd hole? He hasn't hit a ball hard in the last week. no fathom, a shakeup may be necassary but uribe is not a third place hitter. Our third place hitter is on the DL. Anyway,verett, konerko, dye and rowand are all interchangeable as third place hitters right now.Mix and match and wait for frank.

QUOTE(JimH @ May 11, 2005 -> 03:14 AM) Well warpage, I find it quite contradictory that you hate Politte yet want him in there in the 9th inning. We agree they are working around Shingo. He needs to figure his s*** out like now, or they need to do something with him. they won't do s*** with him. he will be here all year, and pitch in games where we are up by three runs, whenever that is. What Ozzie really needs is viscaino to pitch. Then he has somethign, because Politte will lose his mind soon. If that happens and viscaino can't pitch, you really have no bullpen at all. The cracks are showing bigtime.

QUOTE(qwerty @ May 11, 2005 -> 03:12 AM) I am not crucifying that. I am saying in general i think it would be the smarter thing to do. A few managers do that and it seems to work out just fine. I think we need to bring in a studly closer as do many others... and it doesn't have to be wagner because i think we will have to vastly over pay for his services considering he will not be brought back. I also hope contreras some how puts together a pretty good season so that we can trade him off in the off-season. despite contraras tonight, the bullpen lost this game, same as last night.

QUOTE(JimH @ May 11, 2005 -> 03:11 AM) Your issue is the correct issue to focus on ... as warped as you are expressing it. They are working around Shingo, hoping he gets it together. That cannot go on indefinitely. Guillen says he has faith in this guy but it's obvious to me at least that he doesn't. see my last post, don't call me warped.

QUOTE(JimH @ May 11, 2005 -> 03:09 AM) If Hermanson is your closer, which I agree with, then Guillen held him in reserve for a possible closing situation. I know what you're saying, but the manager holds the closer in reserve for a possible closing situation ... and we are crucifying that???? Isn't the bigger issue this: Contreras is a wild card in terms of his control, Shingo is not the pitcher he was last year, they need to figure out this closer situation once and for all? Note: I think we all saw who the closer is. It's Hermanson, seeing as he didn't pitch the 9th. This is a May game vs. Tampa Bay, it's not the 5th game of a playoff series. The real issue is that shingo really doesn't have a place on this team, but he is still here, which means we are working with a man short. When do you pitch the guy? Thats a bullpen problem.

QUOTE(fathom @ May 11, 2005 -> 03:07 AM) Am I the only one who would like to see Uribe batting 3rd right now? He's our best hitter, and he's the most likely person to be able to knock in Pods if he steals 2nd base, etc. Everett isn't getting the job done right now. yes I think you are.

QUOTE(Tony82087 @ May 11, 2005 -> 03:02 AM) Glad your enjoying this 24-9 team. Tony, I don't enjoy any season, its really work and frustration for me. alot like golf. i am emotionally attached.

QUOTE(JimH @ May 11, 2005 -> 03:00 AM) Paging quickman, do you not hate Politte or has there been a wind shift recently? I hate Shingo more. after that clevland game earlier this year. I cannot watch shingo. He really has nothing to throw up there.

QUOTE(Tony82087 @ May 11, 2005 -> 02:57 AM) Thats about 4 weeks to long........ we will be about 4 games out by then

QUOTE(Tony82087 @ May 11, 2005 -> 02:54 AM) Getting away from the pen and just the pitching in general, the 3-4-5 hitters are becoming a major, major issue. Konerko-Rowand-Dye has become a huge hole in the lineup, period. While they are all proven hitters, the "They'll get hot" line is wearing quite thin. Wake the f*** up. they will when thomas comes back

QUOTE(JimH @ May 11, 2005 -> 02:51 AM) You hate Politte and you want him pitching in the 9th???????? I hate shingo more. Politte is pitching much better. Ozzie goes by feel, he should f***ing feel that politte is better than shingo. he should feel that he should ship shingo away on a slow boat to china. he should feel, that he should manufacture a f***ign run from the 7th inning on, he should feel, that everyone has hit shingo's bulls*** and putting him in during a tie game when tampa was scoring runs might be a bad damn idea.

QUOTE(JimH @ May 11, 2005 -> 02:48 AM) Still looking for a volunteer to say exactly how they would've handled the relievers better. As donkeykongerko and Alizee pointed out, the order was Cotts, Vizcaino, Marte, Takatsu. That's a pretty normal progression, at least based on their roles up to this point. The relievers, and the starter, did not get the job done. 9 walks. Jim I just disagree with shingo, everything else was fine. Pitch politte in the ninth, instead of shingo.

QUOTE(JimH @ May 11, 2005 -> 02:43 AM) As I stated I can see Politte or Hermanson for the 9th. It was not a save situation and Shingo was out there, what does that tell you? He's not the closer but Guillen won't say that. What other way should the pitching have been handled tonite? They walked 9 guys. Just keep that s***ty trick pitcher away from my team. I literally hate his face.they will lose again tommrrow and thursday. they will win friday, lose saturday and win sunday.By next tuesday they will be out of first place.

QUOTE(qwerty @ May 11, 2005 -> 02:42 AM) No way, gload is more valuable to this team than walker and timo is ( timo fans will never admit it). Qwerty, I am not trying to get under your skin, I am betting gload deosn't come back and thomas takes his place lets just see what happens.

QUOTE(JimH @ May 11, 2005 -> 02:38 AM) You guys tell me how the pitching should've been handled differently, other than Politte coming in instead of Vizcaino? If he has Vizcaino coming in earlier than Politte it means he wants to save Politte for the later innings. How many walks tonite, 9? That's what killed them. Jim I would rather not see shingo in any game that is tied or we are up by one run. He blows, and I want him gone.

QUOTE(qwerty @ May 11, 2005 -> 02:37 AM) I would be in favor of one of them getting benched once gload returns other wise there is not much of a point. Qwerty, Gload will not be back. Thomas will take his place. I think this will happen.

we will be out of first within 7 days

Rowand you remember this, there pitchign is slipping, and it will be like this for a while

QUOTE(qwerty @ May 11, 2005 -> 02:31 AM) I know that is what he is thinking but it is f***ing stupid. I agree Qwerty, and now you know why, 3.5 back. And now Ozzie can go f*** himself.