quickman

QUOTE(nvxplorer @ Jun 1, 2005 -> 11:34 PM) I would guess that they wanted to see if he could pitch himself out of it. To understand where I'm coming from, you have to remove yourself from the "win at all costs" mode. The team tries to win every game, of course, but sometimes decisions are made with more in mind. It's easy for us to second guess a decision made on the field, but a baseball season is more than plugging in this player and that. I'm not saying Ozzie is a superstar manager, but he's not as dumb as some make him out to be, either. We can't rely on press releases to gauge everyone's performance. Walker was brought up for a reason. I'm still baffled that they sent Burke down for him, but they had a reason nonetheless. Walker blew one game on June 1st. I doubt the Sox will be using him in the future, but without actually playing the guy, there's no way to tell. But why bring him in after we just took the lead and he has not pitched much in two weeks? Makes no sense. Cotts pitch one damn inning yesterday if that asswipe is so fragile that he can't give us another inning then send his butt back to AAA as well. i don't like giving away games. Thats what happended tonight. we gave it away, and I blame OZzie. He did not play his best players nor did he put his s***ty players in a good position. that simple.

Just got back from the game, I am not reading this thread but putting timo at first was stupid, and bringing in a guy who barely pitched after taking the lead was even dumber. Ozzie is a complete moron in my book despite the record, and if we were to make the playoffs despite him he will mis manage us into crap. I am extremely pissed off that any one of us could have manged this game better. Its unexplainable what he does to this team to get them prepared.

QUOTE(sox-r-us @ Jun 1, 2005 -> 12:48 PM) GET VINNY FREAKING CASTILLA INSTEAD DAMN IT If we get Chavez, we will have to trade Fields to some one. By getting Vinny, we create a short term solution for this year and also next year and then we let Fields take over Why spend so much money on Chavez and give up BMac? I would rather have Vinny, trade Crede to the Nats in the process (they will prefer a younger 3B anyways....they have to build for the future) and get Fields ready for the pipeline. Crede is anyways gone as soon as Borass gets a chance to screw JR. You know what I ahve been seeing you say this for months, and I thought I was sick of hearing it, but Damn it its beginning to sync in with me. i think i am with you on this. GET VINNY f***ING CASTILLA.

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QUOTE(aboz56 @ May 30, 2005 -> 08:43 PM) Questioning me as a true Sox fan? LMAO. You really are a comedian. Name another person who lives over 5 hours away and routinely goes to 10 games per season. I'd like to see that list. It's not long at all. Soxfest? Check. Spring Training? Check. Minor League Games? Check. At the Cell Often? Check. Watch nearly every game in its entirety? Check. Get your facts before making absurd comments. Or maybe grow a bit thicker skin and realize that not everyone slurps Frank Thomas. I love him as a player, don't particularly care for some of the stuff that he has done. ABOZ no one should ever question you as a sox fan. As a frank thomas fan thats different. I personally think Frank is ht ebest sox player I have ever seen and would like him to conitnue that path for this year and next. its going to be tough but the guy was indeed the best. plain and simple, and no carl everett or jermaine dye will ever take that away. THis guy is really the only guy I will ever defend. he won way too many ballgames for us. and I believe he can win more.

QUOTE(AddisonStSox @ May 30, 2005 -> 09:26 PM) Please, please, please, please go back and re-read the 35,000 old posts on the matter before starting a new thread. I'm beggin' you. I love you man

I guess I am curious on why the sox would trade for a third baseman and send crede down(if he has an option), what would we be saving him for? Wouldn't he be better used as trade bait, considering we would have acquired a third baseman? This whole idea of sending him down makes no sense to me. if you are going to replace him, then trade him. No body (very few) thinks he will be better than what he is, at least on this team.

QUOTE(JimH @ May 29, 2005 -> 10:15 PM) Does he, for sure? I thought he was out, did not know that. I think he is out of options, but if indeed you trade for randa,you could probably get him for less than crede. Trade crede somewhere else, and get better bullpen help. We need two players right now, A bullpen arm and a hitter that plays the infield. I personally think we will get both within the next two months, point is, can we hang on until then. Especially in the bullpen, shingo, cotts and viscaino are hole right now. Viscaino has a great arm but can;t pitch. We need an arm to take the spot of one of those guys.

QUOTE(JimH @ May 29, 2005 -> 04:53 PM) For purposes of this board what is your take on all this Joe Randa discussion. I know you wanted Crede traded for other assets over the winter, and to bring Randa in as a stop gap. Do you agree that Crede has far more trade value than Randa? There is no doubt that crede has more trade value, but saying that doesn't mean I would rathe rhave crede. Crede has upside and is young and cheap, hence trade value. personally I would rather have randa. Hope that makes sense.

QUOTE(JimH @ May 29, 2005 -> 04:49 PM) 18 of the next 24 at home, Twins have Cleveland and the Yankees this week. White Sox need to take advantage of the situation. This whole thing will come down to how the two teams play vs. one another, they don't play again until Aug. Williams and Guillen will not sit still much longer with an underachieving offense, but they will have to give it some time to see what Frank adds. Personally I think Frank will struggle for a month ... I hope I'm wrong. 11 months is a long time without seeing major league pitching. correct, and I really think if the home stand doesn't go well, there will be trade. We will see. We need a spark.

The whitesox offense is indeed in a horrible slump. The timely hits we had earlier in the year are no longer. We leave runners in scoring position and we have a hard time scoring with less than two outs. I hope Frank can help, but I will assume that KW is looking to find a way to jump start this. Its going to be hard to hold on, unless we get back to timely hitting or shake up the lineup with a new player. I figure KW will watch very closely how Frank works out on this home stand. If the home stand proves much like our woes on the road, I do indeed expect a trade.

QUOTE(JimH @ May 25, 2005 -> 08:36 PM) No ... it was a joke, figured you'd understand ... and that I wouldn't need to put it in green. Who in the heck was that who said some things are so obvious they don't need the green font, can't recall who said that. I would tell you to relax but it appears you don't understand when I'm goofing with you ... which for the record is pretty much always when you think I'm serious. I'm serious. Sorry i have been in a pressure cooker lately. Five contracts, lots of work. Cannot relax at all. No sleep....blah blah blah.

QUOTE(SoxFan101 @ May 25, 2005 -> 07:21 PM) Well Id like to win one but if it meant years of last place finishes like the royals... than Id have to think about it, because i wouldnt be able to stand to watch a royal like team.... it would probably take off 5 years of my life. then after you claim the ring don't watch anymore until they are better. There that is really simple. i can hang my hat on a world series for years. Did the same with tthe Bears. Still watch them though even though they suck, now I am in fantasy football so I watch players.

QUOTE(qwerty @ May 25, 2005 -> 08:12 PM) Anthrax is always right? Check. Jimh knows nothing and has the biggest ego on the board? Check. Kenny williams could win 10 world series in a row and anthrax would b**** because they lost three games in that time span in the playoffs? Check. Anthrax got pwn3d by bacially everyone that participated in this thread yet he cannot see the light. Hm, wonder why? Not because he has a huge ego right? Anthrax give it up. Every single thing you proposed was not fully thought out and had flaws. Other gms would have hung up on you in the matter of minutes while laughing. Every trade you proposed you most likely made on mvp baseball 2005 therefore you thought it could happen in the real world. qwerty, The guy gets off on this stuff, he relishes everybody getting bothered by his comments. Everyone is playing into his hand, the entire thread is dominated by his OPINION. s*** I don't think he is even close to being a sox fan. Eitherway, just ignore.

QUOTE(JimH @ May 25, 2005 -> 07:32 PM) Keith, I'll abstain. I'm sure there will be other abstentions or maybe quickman might vote for him, but hey .... Here is the thing ... it's the same old s*** from this guy, over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over. And over. No one would care if he stated it as an OPINION and ADMITTED all this crap is his OPINION. But he states it as fact and shouts from the highest mountain "I'm right". And then tells someone else they have an ego problem. Why is my name being brought into this? Was this just a mistake when you were hitting your keys?

this thread is a complete retread of four others.

I am sure this is all hypothetical, but it was certianly interesting to hear peoples opinions.

QUOTE(TheDybber @ May 25, 2005 -> 05:35 PM) no. I'd rather be good for years than win one series. what? isn;t the whole idea to win the world series? It takes 100 years sometimes to win one and you would rather have years of buls*** second place finishes? i don't get people soemthimes. i really don't

addison, it was a joke

twins win

QUOTE(AddisonStSox @ May 24, 2005 -> 09:20 PM) For those of you complaining about the credibility of the rumor, just sit back, relax and partake in some intelligent baseball chatter. There have been some great--and I mean great--points made by both camps. Personally, I think there may be some vaildity to this "rumor." GM's keep in contact regarding players/talent all the time. this comes from a kid who can't buy beer

morneau up with the bags juiced in the 11th

QUOTE(Sox Hustler @ May 24, 2005 -> 08:43 PM) Chavez is a great 3B but he is not worth McCarthy, Bmac is an ace in the making you just don't trade him away for a 3B when you have a top propect playing that position. Sure he can switch positions but the issue is parting ways with Bmac which is a no no. Remmeber Angel Guzman the phenom in the Cubs org? Remember Kris Honel? These pitchers can go down in one minute. Although I agree to make this happen without McCarthy, I would l not be dissapointed if it went down.

QUOTE(Dick Allen @ May 24, 2005 -> 08:32 PM) While this rumor is BS, lets just say its true, the bigger question is whether or not JR would be willing to pick up the additional payroll this deal would give the White Sox. Not only this year, but the next 4 or 5. Its not only going to be Chavez's contract but also the cost of another starter, and he's going to be a lot more expensive than BMac. I know people are going to say let Konerko walk, but unless one of the young outfielders moves to 1b, his replacement, if decent, is going to cost some money. Well if it does happen we will know. I suspect that oakland will pay some of this years money. We will worry about next year later. THis guy just may put us over the top this year. Big crowds, big finish, equals big money. A guy under contract cqan always be traded again, if it doesn't work out.

QUOTE(JimH @ May 24, 2005 -> 08:32 PM) If Beane has had any discussions about Chavez in terms of moving him, you can bet KW will get on the phone with him. Witness his comment from Mon. nite ... "We are always looking to get better". I'd hold out McCarthy and Sweeney, everyone else (prospects) is fair game. Hell yes. There is no doubt I do that. I will buy next years tickets now. Tribe ties up twins in the 8th