quickman

QUOTE(JimH @ Jun 3, 2005 -> 08:47 PM) You idiot he is down in AAA, I get your point, you are still nuts. I know he is maxwell smart.

QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Jun 3, 2005 -> 08:45 PM) Hawk has a cold or something. was on the radio last night said he was sick

QUOTE(AddisonStSox @ Jun 3, 2005 -> 08:43 PM) Jermaine Dye 3-3 with 2 RBI Sox lead 6-4. Call it a night Duque. Addison who knows what Ozzie will do. He is completely nuts, and Harold is asleep.

Jim ready to bring in Kevin Walker!!!

do you come back out with El duque? I say NO I wouldn't but Ozzie probably will

swung at ball three

carl we need a fly ball not a DP

can Paulie sign up for Don Beebe's speed camp?

QUOTE(Frankensteiner @ Jun 3, 2005 -> 08:26 PM) The one at Tampa was very good. 6 IP, 3 H, 4 BB, 4 K, 2 ER I guess I don't understand your point, he sucks right now has been like that. He is not pitching well. I realize your not panicking and niether are we, I just think right now and the last couple of times have been suspect and thats not a good trend. We spotted a veteran pitcher 4 runs and he choked on it like a 3am whore in an alley.

QUOTE(JimH @ Jun 3, 2005 -> 08:25 PM) Golly gee ... he goes inside on the hands of Blake ... easy out, one down. golly gee, goes inside and hits his 4th batter

QUOTE(qwerty @ Jun 3, 2005 -> 08:25 PM) Is that really what it costs? I am sure i could fine something better to do with 1000$. yep

this inning is going to be tough. He needs to get out of this inning or we lose

QUOTE(JimH @ Jun 3, 2005 -> 08:22 PM) Now they have some kid doing the PA announcements. I wonder if the parents dipped into his college fund. Sox go down fast in that inning. Momentum will decide this game. $1000

QUOTE(Frankensteiner @ Jun 3, 2005 -> 08:22 PM) I know I shouldn't be the one saying it, but I think you guys are overreacting on Duque. This is a poor start yet he's been solid so far this season. Brandon "Home Run" McCarthy isn't a better alternative at this point. Last three starts have been about the same.

QUOTE(JimH @ Jun 3, 2005 -> 08:18 PM) Agree. Poor location. Well, he got out of that inning ok. Frankly I did not expect his location to be crisp tonite, no pun intended. Let's see what they're made of here. Win as a team, lose as a team. I am tired of this democratic bulls***, Win as a team lose as a team. How about do your f***ing job and you get to keep your job, don't do it and your gone. Better motto for me.

QUOTE(AddisonStSox @ Jun 3, 2005 -> 08:15 PM) This friggin guy. Hernandez won't last through 5. I am with you brother, El Duque gets a four run spot and we will end up choking on it. he is still not right. More HR's to come next inning.

QUOTE(JimH @ Jun 3, 2005 -> 08:13 PM) Good point - maybe they need to get farther in and make him move his feet. He looks way too comfortable up there. I recall quite a few hits by that guy where he went the other way. well he is certianly pitching inside and hitting people. Jim El Duque has no control tonight. Therefore he needs to throw stikes.

El duque is not good, and has not been good for the last few outings. The big test is how long Ozzie goes with him, he could let this get out of hand quickly. He was spotted a four run lead and choked on it. something is still wrong with the guy. This is a big inning for him. he lets a run in here and its downhill.

QUOTE(JUGGERNAUT @ Jun 3, 2005 -> 06:33 PM) I will remind you again of Chavez contract signed this past yr: $66M/6yr. He's earning $8M this year which leaves $58M/5yr left. He's not performing any where near that level right now. Which means the contract is a major hurt against his trade value right now. BMac on the other hand has the highest trade value of his career right now. Right now there isn't a team in the league who doesn't see his potential as #1/#2 SP. He's the buzz of the organization right now. Chavez & his contract are simply not worth the price of trading BMac. KW should be able to get this done (if Beane is really pressing to unload the contract) without BMac. But I don't think Beane is conceding yet in the ALW. They are 10 gms out, riding a 4 gm winning streak & are winning at home. Last night Chavez hit a game winning grand slam. I think he'll wait until after Jun to see whether he's a buyer or a seller for the 2nd half. Agreed again. crede and another 1 or two other prospects without BMAC will probably get this done. If not they will turn to randa. But I rally beleive they will get someone. its the most logical place to upgrade a bat in the lineup.

QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Jun 3, 2005 -> 06:15 PM) As much as Crede's play makes you want to puke (it has the same effect on me) he has actually played at least as well as Chavez has so far this season. Dick although i completely agree this won't happen at this point, i do think that Chavez is a huge upgrade despite his current play. He will not hit this way all year, and in addition he is a tested pro and big time player. I would much rather have Chavez up in the ninth in a playoff game with the bags loaded than crede.

QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Jun 3, 2005 -> 06:00 PM) So let me get this straight. The "rumor" supposedly came from a caller on a radio show or someone on a message board saying Ken Rosenthal said it was a deal being discussed. Rosenthal was emailed and said he had no knowledge of said rumor. BB said it was BS. Chavez said it was BS, and that he did not want to play in Chicago. KW didn't say it was BS but said he isn't trading the main ingredient of said deal, therefore making it BS, and there still are people here that think this rumor still has validity? dick although I tend to agree that trade won't happen, I do indeed think there will be a trade and before the deadline maybe even before the 4th of july

QUOTE(ptatc @ Jun 2, 2005 -> 10:50 PM) I truly think Ozzie has been experimenting to see who to keep on the roster for the rest of the year? He used walker in a pressure situation against lefties to see if he could handle it. Did he do it? No, go to Charlotte we need the roster spot. Why else would that be the only time he has done it. Next try, can Perez handle first. Did Ok on some, screwed up others. Is he worth the spot. Someone will need to go soon, either in a trade, release or sent down. Ozzie is helping KW decide what they need for the long haul of the season. At least this is what I hope he has been doing with the bizzare moves. He may be a hothead but I don't think he is stupid. Interesting thinking just don't like the timing.

QUOTE(nvxplorer @ Jun 2, 2005 -> 10:50 PM) Very good point. As annoying and boring as Farmer can be sometimes, he NEVER badmouths anyone publically. Has Brantley ever managed? Any level? Had offers? Anyone know? n o NV I don't think he has, but that is not the point. I will separate local Announcers from national. brantley made good points and now its personal between him and ozzie. I think national media does offer stronger points than local. i also think Stone did it with the cubs and he too was correct in his analysis. The subject still stands, they both can offer there points, but I would rather have a manager with a bit more tact and class. I don't want an angel just a little bit more tactful manager. And one day he might just learn to be that.

personally I think we are all saying the same thing. Ozzie and brantley have a right to say what they want, ozzie needs to learn how to deal better with the Media, needs some maturing and needs better people to tell him how to play his players.

QUOTE(nitetrain8601 @ Jun 2, 2005 -> 10:33 PM) I agree. I'll say this. Ozzie is one hell of a motivator and player person. I think he would make a better bench coach though. He's been making bad decisions for some time. 3 pitchers in one inning(Marte, Politte, Cotts) in the 3rd game of the year with a 3 run lead. Nitetrain, I have been so angry with ozzie all day that its possible I am not seeing things through my anger. Now I know Ozzie makes the decisions but he has other coaches he relies on, should we assume they are just as guilty? What the hell are they doing on that bench. harold might need to shake up ozzie a bit. Same with Cooper, I clearly suspect this guy is making some of the decisions or at least being asked for his opinion. Maybe we really miss Joe Nossak. I would imagine that Nossak demands respect when he spoke.