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QUOTE (SoxAce @ Mar 22, 2009 -> 10:23 PM) Your an excellent football analyst, espeically when it comes to the Bears... I'll leave it at that. lol, okay, I'll take that ...

The Catholic Church is really a mess. I'm still a Catholic and will remain one, faithfully, but the Catholic Church needs a lot of change.

QUOTE (SoxAce @ Mar 22, 2009 -> 10:18 PM) Well you've said so much ridiculous things since you've been here, even the comparisions you say that actually make sense will probably be blasted cause it's like... you know.. force of habit with alot of posters here. How many times was I actually wrong though? Also, I'm talking about just baseball, not my views on politics which usually I get flamed for by everyone.

QUOTE (Thunderbolt @ Mar 22, 2009 -> 09:51 PM) Joe Morgan needs to shut up. Longoria>Victorino it's simple math. You are completely wrong. That was a stupid move by Davey Johnson. There was no reason to pinch hit for Victorino in that situation. Longoria, while is a top young talent, still has a ways to go. I'd gladly take Victorino in a pressure situation like that, as he has shown himself to be very clutch. And you didn't NEED a homerun in that situation, you needed to get that runner in from 3rd.

From what I have seen this spring, I'd gladly take Corky Miller over Toby Hall... I'm not saying Corky would be my first choice, but I think he is a lot better defensively and a whole lot more competent at plate.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Mar 22, 2009 -> 10:06 PM) I really love Chris Getz. He's faster than most people realize, rock solid defensively, and really knows how to handle a bat. He won't hit for a ton of power nor does he have tools that blow you away, but as a whole the guy flat out knows how to hit and his swing is conducive to hitting major league pitching at a similar clip as he hit minor league pitching because he has always relied on good plate discipline and a nice level swing as opposed to just relying purely on raw natural ability (and it isn't as if he has no tools or is David Eckstein). I think Getz will be the biggest surprise of the season (in a good way) and will end up leading off most of the year and will actually turn into the franchises long term leadoff guy. As a whole I think he projects better as a 2 hitter but regardless I think he'll have an MLB career where he gets on at around a .360 rate which would be pretty damn nice. It would be utterly fantastic if Getz becomes the answer at leadoff for us. I think he could get on at least around .360 when he starts to hit his stride, and I believe he's fast enough to steal 20+ bags.

I remember last year I got blasted for making the comparison of Getz as a poor man's Pedroria.

If Beckham goes to Charlotte like I think he will, I think that makes Lillibridge the 2B for Charlotte. I wonder where Javier Castillo figures in. He isn't much of a prospect, but I liked what I saw from him in spring, perhaps a future bench player. Do we keep him in Charlotte and have him work at more positions like SS, 2B, 1B, OF, etc, or do we put him back in Birmingham and let him play everyday at 3B?

Isn't Ricks capable of playing multiple positions? If so, he'll find a spot on the bench for either Charlotte or Birmingham. Are minor league roster limits 25 also? EDIT: I found my answer. If anyone else is interested, the link is: http://www.bizofbaseball.com/index.php?opt...y&Itemid=75

QUOTE (bighurt4life @ Mar 22, 2009 -> 03:59 PM) I'd be surprised to see him at Charlotte. Very rarely do they jump second year players that far up. We already sent Viciedo to Charlotte and he's a 20 year old getting his first taste of Pro baseball. Also, in another article, there was mention that Beckham will be headed to Charlotte. However, that could be just speculation by the writer.

I think there's a good shot we'll see Beckham go straight to Charlotte.

QUOTE (santo=dorf @ Mar 22, 2009 -> 03:22 PM) It's still a complete waste of cash. If I bought a bunch of stocks in a company that would completely collapse 6 months it would be a bad deal no matter how many pennies on the dollar I spent. Don't think Cleveland regrets the deal they gave Travis Hafner? What about the Royals with Angel Berrora? But, but he was the rookie of the year! It looked so good at the time. I don't disagree with you that is was a bad deal, but you can't really fault anyone for making such a deal.

QUOTE (JPN366 @ Mar 22, 2009 -> 03:20 PM) I guess that blows my whole theory of Donny Lucy backing up/mentoring Tyler Flowers in B'ham. yep, looks like Lucy and Armstong to Charlotte. Oh well, I always liked Stewart and I hope him the best of luck.

QUOTE (Kalapse @ Mar 22, 2009 -> 03:18 PM) I'm an idiot. It was a good deal at the time. No one could have predicted that MacDougal would never find the strike zone again.

I would have waited one more year with him before signing him to an extension. Floyd can still go either way, IMO. However, luckily none of the money is a ridiculous amount if this doesn't pan out.

QUOTE (Tony82087 @ Mar 22, 2009 -> 03:11 PM) You're asking me a question that I never had a disagreement with. That isn't the point I'm arguing. \ What was this whole discussion about then?

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Mar 22, 2009 -> 01:14 PM) Wasn't he hitting something like .500 over his first twenty ABs? I think he was somewhere in the .400 range, but never at .500. Corky on the other hand has been hovering around the .500 area.

QUOTE (Tony82087 @ Mar 22, 2009 -> 01:30 PM) It's not all about trade value. I understand what you are trying to say, but I don't think you are looking bigger picture. Here is an example. .296/.371/.471/.842 100R, 20 HR, 100 RBI, 22 SB. Those numbers get put up by a 2B or SS, he is a superstar. Instead, those numbers were put up by Bobby Abreu last season, and it got him a 1 year, 5 million dollar deal this offseason. I get you're point, but this isn't about "superstar" status or anything like that, it's about what's best for the team. If we got Alexei played very good D at short and hitting .290 with 20 homers, 70+ rbi's, and 20+ stolen bases, and Getz playing solid D at second with a .280 BA and .355 OBP and leading off, why would you change that because Gordon Beckham putting up good numbers at SS or 2B look better then the numbers he puts up as a LF?

QUOTE (Tony82087 @ Mar 22, 2009 -> 01:01 PM) Why was Flowers acquired BearSox? Why was he the center piece of the Vazquez deal? Do you think he would have been the center piece of the deal if he was DH'ing most of the time in A ball? Or is it possible his value is highly increased because he has a strong bat at incredibly weak position across baseball? I for one believe that Flowers will eventually be a DH/1B base type. I think we made that deal to save salary and acquire 4 good young players. Sure Flowers value increased with the fact he might be able to play catcher, but I think KW and the scouts who informed KW said that Flowers is not a sure thing at catcher. Also, unless we are planning on trading Beckham anytime soon, this shouldn't matter. Right now Beckham is a part of OUR future, not another team's. And if we need his bat next year, and we have Getz and Ramirez producing up the middle, we will find a spot for him. Also, just because he plays one position for a year or two doesn't mean he will automatically never be able to play his other position ever again.

QUOTE (Tony82087 @ Mar 22, 2009 -> 12:39 PM) Moving Beckham to the OF is going to severely diminish his value. His bat certainly doesn't project him being in the upper tier of OF's(corner OF's to boot). A lot of Beckham's appeal is his hitting ability a tough position to field. If he can hit, he can hit, you shouldn't care what position he is at. If Ramirez and Getz gel as a SS and 2B combo, it would be stupid to change it up.

QUOTE (flavum @ Mar 22, 2009 -> 12:27 PM) Say they go to the All-Star break, and Getz and Ramirez are both playing like All-stars. Do you move Beckham to left field right away, since you know the future is Getz and Alexei in the middle infield? I'd just like to see them settle on a position for Beckham, and stick with it. He's got his mind set on being a major league shortstop. I'd like to see that happen with the White Sox, but the main thing is not to start messing with his head. I say no. First and foremost we want Beckham to hit. If you're a good athlete like Beckham, the switch from SS (or 2B) to LF should be a fairly easy one, and a move you could hold off on until spring training when you are done with free agency and trades.

QUOTE (flavum @ Mar 22, 2009 -> 12:04 PM) If Getz is a real solid 2B, and Beckham tears it up at Birmingham this year at SS, I hope Alexei is the one that gets traded. You can't trade a guy like Beckham because not only is he possibly a great player, he's the type that could be the face of the franchise for the next decade. You can market Beckham a helluva lot more than Alexei Ramirez. This is just stupid. If Ramirez and Getz form a solid MI combo, we are gonna have to move Beckham to a new position, and that's that. Now this can all change, but best case scenario is that Getz and Ramirez tear it up both on O and D, Viceido or Fields become the answer for 3B, and Beckham rakes but has to move to LF (and be able to play SS, 3B, and 2B in a pinch). With Beckham's power potential, he would hopefully be able to produce for a corner OF (however, I hate having numbers based on what position you play), and he should be able to provide solid D as well considering his arm strength and speed. If everything fell into place, our lineup in about 3 years would look something like: 1. Getz, 2B 2. Ramirez, SS 3. Quentin, RF 4. Konerko, 1B/DH 5. Viciedo, 3B (I don't think much of Fields, so I'll go with Viciedo) 6. Beckham, LF 7. Allen, 1B/DH 8. Flowers, C 9. Danks/Anderson, CF However, I highly doubt this will happen as odds of everything panning out with our young players are extremely unlikely.

Sounds like a really nice and intelligent guy. He likes the King of Queens, which is a big plus in my book, and he talks about how we should have blood tests to keep baseball clean.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Mar 21, 2009 -> 10:59 PM) Boy Kroeger has really fallen off as the players in camp have narrowed. He is down to .302 now. Come on now, it's been like 40 AB's. If he gets a hit in his next AB, his BA will shoot up to about .320.

The thing is, Nix hasn't played SS since his first year in pro ball which was like 8 years ago, and I wouldn't consider him to be any better than Betemit at SS.