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QUOTE(Steff @ Oct 25, 2006 -> 09:47 AM) No Yes No No For the REMAINDER of the money owed to Alex, yes. If he ramains a Yankee, yes. If the Yankees are not responsible for 100% of the contract then why are the Rangers sending the money to the Yankees? Wouldn't they be sending it directly to Alex?

Texas is responsible to the Yankees for those payments. The Yankees are responsible to pay Alex. The next team will be responsible to pay Alex. Rangers send money to Yankees >> Yankees send money to new team. The amounts can be different. That is all I have said. How is that so hard to understand?

QUOTE(Steff @ Oct 25, 2006 -> 09:12 AM) So if the Yanks trade him they KEEP the money?? They don't have to give it to ARod? Are you f***ing kidding me? And no, I couldn't be done with this glowing opportunity to point out some stupidity. Two different issues. Two different trades. Show me where I ever said that Alex would not receive his full contract? LOL, of course ARod receives his entire contract from the team that is employing him. If the Yankees trade him, the new team pays him. We all know that whomever he gets traded to will want cash along with ARod. The amount that the Yankees choose to include will be negotiated between those two teams. The Yankees are not obligated to send the exact amount or more of the Ranger money. The Yankees may, for example, only send $25 million and not the full $26.4 million remaining. The Yankees will continue to receive the Ranger money no matter what the Yankees do with ARod. Are you saying if the Yankees trade Alex that the Rangers don't have to pay the Yankees anymore? Remember the deal was for players and money. The players that went in the deal don't have to follow, why should the money? Let's make this simple. The Yankees are currently 100% responsible to make certain that Alex gets his money. Agree? They are receiving payments from the Rangers to compensate tem in part for that contract. Agree? The next team will also be 100% responsibile for Alex's contract. Agree? They will also, in all likelyhood be receiving money from the Yankees as part of the deal. Agree? The Yankees, IMHO, can send as little or as much as both teams agree on. Agree? The Rangers will continue to send payments to the Yankees. Agree?

I never thought about it before, but isn't it a little creepy that a celeb could be 100% against something in life, and whomever owns the rights to their likeness could totally change that? Perhaps a Linda McCartney ad for Beef, It's What's For Dinner?

QUOTE(Steff @ Oct 25, 2006 -> 09:02 AM) Perhaps if you read the links provided, by yourself no less, you would. In any event. All done. I'm gonna stick with the facts on this one. All of the links mention the Rangers paying the Yankees, nowhere is it mentioned that if the Yankees trade him, that the money they are receiving, has to follow the contract. If I missed it in my careful reading of each link, then you are a better reader than me. Until I see a quote otherwise, I'll stand by my interpretation of the facts that the Yankees are free to include as little or as much cash into any ARod deal as both teams agree on. And Steff, you are never done. You'll either extract your revenge here or in another thread. I look forward to it.

Why don't we check out the Constitution instead?

QUOTE(Steff @ Oct 25, 2006 -> 08:40 AM) Sigh.... http://www.easttennessean.com/media/storag...ttennessean.com http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2004/base...kees/index.html And this is from the link you provided.. He is owed, in effect, $66.6 million by New York over the last four seasons of his record $252 million, 10-year contract. Rodriguez receives $95 million, with the Yankees getting $28.4 million from Texas to offset part of that. It's clear as day in black and white so exactly what part of the money comming from the Rangers do you not understand...? Steff, I love the sigh . . . I was thinking the same thing when I saw you replied. I don't understand if the Yankees are legally bound to send every penny with the contract or if they have some flexibility in sending less if that's what is in both teams best interest. A couple people believe that *all* that money *has* to follow the contract. I was just wondering if that is accurate, and why that language would be in there. I don't see where the Yankees are legally bound to pass on that money, which was my one and only point. And as I have mentioned numerous times, it is a very minor thing. More a technicality and an interesting nuance in baseball's biggest contract.

QUOTE(Steff @ Oct 25, 2006 -> 07:56 AM) It's no theory, it's the facts. The $67 million from the Rangers follows him. It's got nothing to do with the Yankees. http://www.easttennessean.com/media/storag...ttennessean.com http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2004/base...kees/index.html I am getting errors on both of those links. The link I posted from SI states the money is paid to the Yankees. Doesn't really matter, I can see baseball handling the money different with Alex than other players. The contract is the reason why the Rangers had such a difficult time moving him.

Nuke, Mexico is forced, by US policies, to spend more of their GNP on fighting drug smuggling into the US, than the US. Because the US has a drug use problem, Mexico is racked in violence. The heavier drugs are produced in South American and smuggled through Mexico. The solutions involve South America and the US not the middlemen. Jenks, Rightful place as most important branch? Look up the definition of balance. You may remember a phrase called checks and balances, there isn't a more important branch. That is a cornerstone of our government. I am looking for a candidate with the charisma of Reagan, style counts as our chief cheerleader. A positive attitude will do more to fight the terrorist threats than trying to lure them all into a war in the middle east. I am looking for a candidate that understands balancing the budget, that we can't continue to spend trillions more than we take in. Buying votes is easy, and we've become accustomed to "helping the economy". One that understands some programs are investments. Education, childcare for the poor, health care, all are cost effective when they lead to better paying jobs, and it's easier to keep someone healthy then pay for disease. Someone with the courage to spend our tax dollars are what we need, not what is politically popular, like a symbolic fence. Someone that will see we need immigrant labor, and put together a meaningful immigration reform bill that allows businesses to hire the people they need and will not require a generation of our kids to become yardmen. Immigrants have always filled these jobs in every society, nature always provides the most efficient solutions. As far as Congress and the Senate, I have two different views. In the Senate, I look for visionaries and statesmen. People with high ideals that can offer long term solutions. Character over political views. The Senate should be the arena for great debate. In the congress I look for a worker, someone that will roll up their sleeve and get things done for today.

QUOTE(Steff @ Oct 25, 2006 -> 04:55 AM) And that has what to do with the money being paid by the Rangers which is whay the question was to start with... Good Morning With ARod, its all about the money and his huge contract. If, as some have theorized, the Rangers are required to pay whomever has ARod, and not necessarily the Yankees, then the Yankees have to package ARod + $28.4 million. If the Rangers are paying the Yankees, and the Yankees are free to offer less than that dollar amount, there is more flexibility for the Yankees to toss in talent (doubtful) or accept someone with a bad contract and the money could be lower. I could see negotiations where the dollar amount may be $26 mil with player A or $29 mil with player B. Making moving ARod a tad easier. As I mentioned earlier, it probably will not make a difference, it's one of those technicalities. My guess is the Yankees may have to add some of their money to the Ranger money to make it happen. Another reason I believe the team is obligated to pay the other team would be in the event of a career ending injury or retirement. I normally couldn't care less about a players contract, but this time of year, with no Sox baseball being played, it's all about trades and money.

QUOTE(Steff @ Oct 24, 2006 -> 06:28 PM) I don't understand why you are tossing in what the Yanks may do. maybe because ARod is a Yankee and they are the ones trading him?

QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Oct 24, 2006 -> 04:33 PM) Yep, It will at the very least be the same. The Yanks could obviously throw in additional cash to make Arod more lucrative on the trade market (but that is all up to negotiations between the Yanks and whoever there trade partner is). I think it would depend on who the Yankees receive in return. While it would seem nit piking to some, having the flexibility to adjust the dollars based on the talent involved will make the deal much easier to make. Imagine if you had to offer the exact combination of players that would make that exact cash work out. In the end, as I mentioned before, whether the Rangers are sending money to the Yankees or to A-Rod anything could be worked out. ARod's original deal and Boras' ability to sell a player coming off an injury, and unavailable for a workout, to a top 10 contract, proves that.

QUOTE(iamshack @ Oct 24, 2006 -> 03:53 PM) I do not have the exact terms of the contract. I believe Texas paid a total of $65 million or so when the trade was originally made. From everything I have read, that money (a prorated portion of it of course), would follow ARod in the event that he was dealt from the Yankees. I am just speculating here, but it is my belief that the money would follow him, either because the contract states that it would, or simply because if the Yankees attempted to deal ARod without sending the Texas money along, or any of their own money along, it would make ARod practically unmovable. I don't believe any team would be willing to take on any player, regardless of who it was, at $100 million for 4 years in the current economic climate, AND trade away players of value as well. NY, if they truly wish to deal him, are going to have to make it not only feasible for another team to fit him into their payroll, and make it a favorable position for themselves by getting back players of value. It is doubtful that Bud Selid would approve a deal that looked like a pure "salary dump." I agree that money would have to follow A-Rod, I just believe it could be more or less than what Texas is paying

QUOTE(iamshack @ Oct 24, 2006 -> 02:14 PM) Just to clear things up, if ARod were traded, assuming the Yankees did not pick up any salary, the money Texas ate to make ARod tradable would follow him to whatever team the Yankees deal him to. That amount is about $66 million over 4 years, or slightly more than $16 million per year. There has been some speculation that NY might pick up some additional salary, to lessen the commitment to somewhere more in the neighborhood of $12 million per year, and involve more teams in the bidding, however, that is fairly unlikely IMO. Link? Here's one that states the Rangers owe New York click I doubt in this case it would make a difference, but I could see a deal where the third team down the road would not receive the entire amount. A great example would be someone like Thomas or Thome, a superstar with a questionable recovery. They recover 100%, have great seasons and their value rises. The team that was receiving money would possibly not have to eat as much of the salary as the first team did.

It seems odd to me that his contract would be amended to say X dollars are paid by Texas and Y dollars are paid by New York. Actually would he then have a contract with Texas and a contract with NY? It would make more sense that all dollars are paid by New York. The player would continue to get everything that was spelled out in the contract. In the end it doesn't matter, the amount he is due will not change, whether he receives three checks or only one, it probably isn't important. But who would it benefit if his contract was amended to say Texas always pays A-Rod? Would it make a difference who Texas writes the check to? Plus, if he is traded, couldn't the receiving team just toss back the Ranger money in the deal, if that is what it took? Obviously it would probably be the Yankess tossing in cash. I can't see the player wanting to deal with two teams, especially after he has left one.

QUOTE(Rex Kicka** @ Oct 24, 2006 -> 12:13 PM) Not saying she's my choice either, but she's a freakin rock star in person. It's kinda crazy. I have no doubt. Problem is only half the country would be dancing and singing along.

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I was thinking about prison sentences and all they are suppose to do: Protect Society from the individual Protect Society from others like this individual (making an example) Rehabilitate offender Satiate society's thirst for revenge/justice Satiate the victim's thirst for justice/revenge Balancing this is the cost, both human, and monetary that locking someone up and rehab programs cost. Wow, how we ever get that right is beyond me.

That would be an interesting move. As always, it would depend on how much NY is willing to spend on A-Rod's contract.

Water is a huge issue here. On one end, Mexico owes us a couple trillion acre feet of water from a 150 year old treaty, water our farmers badly needs and on the other, on our ballot is a $100,000,000 bond issue to improve storm water drainage throughout the county.

QUOTE(Rex Kicka** @ Oct 23, 2006 -> 11:52 PM) Tex, Why? More than a few things, number one, I believe we need someone who could unite the country, not further divide them. We need someone with Reagan's or (early version) Bill Clinton pr abilities. The biggest magic that happened with Reagan was making us feel better about our future and our ability to overcome adversity. We had the embarrassment of Nixon, the clumsiness of Ford in W.I.N., and the paralysis of Carter. Then Reagan comes riding in, literally, bigger than life and gives us back our swagger. With the terrorism threat, we need someone who can give us back our swagger. Hillary aint it.

QUOTE(kapkomet @ Oct 24, 2006 -> 07:16 AM) That's true. There were thousands of people wiped out because of these bastards. And to clarify, there were thousands of people wiped out because of illegal acts committed by these bastards. CEOs, COOs, CFOs, etc. can still be incompetent and wipe out your pension, as long as they do it legally. Which is something I think about when the topic of private investments in Social Security comes up, but that is a different horse to whip.

QUOTE(NUKE_CLEVELAND @ Oct 23, 2006 -> 10:31 PM) Jim Edgar. Edgar Scissors Hand?? Yep, he was pretty good also.