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It sounds to me like it was the volunteers who relayed the news. I'm not certain whet y'all heard, maybe it's different then the report I heard, but speculation was someone, not an official, overheard something, and spread the wrong information. Sadly, when 100 people are all shouting the same thing, it seems real. Should the media point a camera at the Governor and other victim's families and report what they are saying, or stay off the air until it is confirmed by someone other than the Governor?

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Jan 4, 2006 -> 07:06 AM) What an unbelievable screw up. I can't imagine a worse scenario actually unfolding here... Someone has a lot of explaining to do. As for the one survivor, he is in critical condition and needs lots of prayers. It seems the information that was "officially released" was accurate. There were some communications that were overheard, and repeated, that was wrong. Those seemed to come from volunteers. I think that was a Fox report. Speculation in my part. One idiot wanted to be a hero and went off with half the information. A rumour got started with heart breaking results.

Mining is such a dangerous profession. I cannot fathom men who feel so trapped in their economic situation that they would knowingly go into an unsafe mine.

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Jan 3, 2006 -> 12:32 PM) Texas Comptroller Carole Keeton Strayhorn, the mother of White House Press Secretary Scott McClellan, is going to run for governor of Texas next year. Interestingly enough though, she's Leaving the Republican Party and running as an independent, mainly to avoid a primary fight with the Governor it seems. This is going to be an exciting election. Friedman, Strayhorn, Perry, and who knows who else will make a run. I voted Perry in the last election.

QUOTE(Rex Kickass @ Jan 3, 2006 -> 08:45 AM) Son of a b****. Turns out I'm wrong. I need to win one of the two games coming up. You might want to get some help from actual football players

Terms of my posting preclude me from commenting on any weather realted topics between October and May.

QUOTE(tonyho7476 @ Jan 3, 2006 -> 10:14 AM) I've never eaten one before that wasn't cut right off the slab of rotating meat. So it being done any other way, is news to me. We do things right in chicago. There are only a couple places here that sell them and they sell so few that they have to go with prepackaged meet and heat it up. It just doesn't taste the same. Which is why I was so happy to see that pressed meat and meat byproducts spining away. My favorite gyros place was with Athens Gyros (now closed) in Lakehurst Mall or in Harlem Irving Plaza there was a little place (Coney Dogs?) where the guy couldn't count change and would always try to take an extra .25 cents or so.

Sadly, we have the attention span of a long tail cat in a room full of rocking chairs. Terry case pitted a soon to be ex-husband against her parents. I think that was more the debate than taking her off, of course it spun off into that, but the root was who makes the decision.

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Jan 3, 2006 -> 11:52 AM) Unfortunately then the earth's mantle would begin to upwell due to the load being released from it, the upwelling would lead to partial melting and volcanism which would generate new land in that spot. And this time ten new religions would claim it as their holiest of spots

I can understand spending money to refurbish and remodel outdated offices to make the users more productive. It happens in private industry all the time. When computers, printers, and all that stuff replaced secretaries and file clerks, many offices needed updating. But, this would have been a great PR move for the governor to stop construction for a year and help the budget shortfall. Some would have complained it was grandstanding and meaningless with something like a billion dollar deficit, but it would have been the right thing to do. Plus, it wasn't like the Governor wouldn't have known that work was happening. I'm just thinking, there are two major components of being a Governor, getting elected and being a governor. It would seem the getting elected comes first and weeds out too many individuals that would be great governors. You have to be a politician first. I think that is why some small cities with City Managers and a part time mayor have a better system.

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Jan 3, 2006 -> 11:43 AM) You can divide or govern the city however you want, but there is no way to settle this issue to make both sides happy. I have always suspected that is true, now that I'm learning a little history, it has become clearer that you are correct. So now we have a whose sword is mightier situation that will probably last forever.

I've been doing a little reading on this and it is fascinating. The conspiracy nuts are everywhere in this. Trying to sort out credible sources is tough enough, no way to sort out biased.

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Jan 3, 2006 -> 07:32 AM) If that's the case, 99% of the Palestinians have to right of return to Israel anyway because they never lived there, so this whole discussion is moot. What an amazing time in human history. Imagine being on the committee that decided if, when, and where. From what I was reading the vote was not unanimous, and all the worlds superpowers were kept out of the voting and decision making. Although I am certain their preferences were made clear to the countries involved. Then to be some of the first settlers. Starting your own country. Wow. We've seen a little of this with some of the former Soviet Union countries, but they didn't change boundaries too much.

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Jan 3, 2006 -> 07:20 AM) Because no where else was the Jewish historical homeland?!?!?!?! How can it be *your* homeland if you never lived there? Imagine if we decided to displace people and give native Americans the land. Say Manhatten? I never thought about the significance of what was done back then. We are worried about increased government abuse of emminent domain here, imagine on a worldwide scale. Again, if it was such an important area, how did the Palestinians come to own most of it? I am now understanding some of the historical issues. Where Jews from Germany expected to pack up and move to the Middle East? There is a twisted side to this, round up the Jews and send them to one place? This is fascinating now that I woke up. I never really linked the guilty (Nazis) with who else paid for those sins (Palistinians). Is it correct to say without the Nazis, there would be no Israel. Was there any sort of a movement prior to the war to create a nation?

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Jan 3, 2006 -> 07:19 AM) They tried to get John Kerry elected President after taking money from the same guy as Gore/Clinton, and Kerry even did the one up of getting the guy a meeting with the SEC. For those keeping score at home, that is forgein nationals giving money to our top governmental officials to influence them... Even better is we give our tax money to foreign nationals to influence them.

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Jan 3, 2006 -> 07:00 AM) A lot more than were offered for the displaced Palestinians. Why were the Palestinians selected to be moved? I never thought about this before. The Holocaust happened primarily throught out Europe and of course so much in Germany. Yet instead of a European site, the Middle East was selected. I've got to find a good book about this. I have a few weeks before it's back in the classroom.

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The price of success and future success, will be casual fans attending 2 or 3 games when before they never attended. There will be families from Winnetka dropping by for a weekend day game, tourists who decide to add a Sox game to their vacation, corporate types entertaining, all these people, and the Cub converts, need to be welcomed and encouraged. That is how we draw 3 million year after year.

QUOTE(NorthSideSox72 @ Jan 2, 2006 -> 11:15 PM) Tex's post sent me in that direction. Plus I can't sleep. I should have said the business of politics. The Republicans lost fiscal responsibility with Reagan. He cut taxes and made Republicans happy, he increased spending and made Democrats happy. Of course that made all of us happy in the short term.

QUOTE(Rex Kickass @ Jan 2, 2006 -> 09:29 PM) Bloomberg Media would disagree with the "equal opportunity" tag. http://www.citizensforethics.org/press/pre...p.php?view=1239 I should say at this point - to preempt the "you'll do anything to exonerate the Democrats" accusation that seems inevitable, but I hope anyone that Abramoff helped break the law with goes down hard. I just seem to get the idea - that the bulk of people he helped were Republican. Why? Cause he was one. If you want Republican votes, hire a guy close to them. If you want Democrat votes, hire a guy close to them. And there are plenty of those guys to go around. IMHO, the "business" of government produces the same scum bags on, and for, both sides of the aisle.

QUOTE(NorthSideSox72 @ Jan 2, 2006 -> 07:12 PM) Corruption and lack of fiscal discipline tend to go hand in hand. That's why this is no surprise. That's what I was getting at. Are you questioning the original budgeting of remodeling the offices, or continuing the project after the hurricane?

QUOTE(WCSox @ Jan 2, 2006 -> 06:11 PM) Or maybe "unethical" would've been a better way to describe the appropriation of funds, given the circumstances. I was reading some other articles as well. Seems that the bids were sent out before the hurricane, the work was needed to meet safety codes. There was some concern that if they didn't go through with the work, the successful bidders could sue. The offices have not been touched in over 20 years. Seems that the either the laws are stupid, or the bid was poorly worded. I've worked on government and private bids that have all said the work/purchase may or not be made.

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