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habit, pacing

wasn't that sweet? Had him standing there looking. And Jones isn't a stiff.

SWEET Set him up

:headshake so far outside, he's got to move in

Nice dp

seems a little early for Marte

That's why baseball has 50 rounds of drafts and the NBA 2. I do think by the time they reach AA and AAA the can't miss outfield prospects have a better success rate than then "can't miss" pitching prospects.

That is so true, it is a shame it had to be posted in a fan web site. But I guess some younger fans haven't seen enough prospects fail and guys like Piazza and Maggs come out of nowhere.

He has a lot of very valid thoughts. Trading your everyday best player for a 3rd or fourth starter isn't a bargain in my book. Further, JR has always balked at the type of long term contract it would take to sign a major free agent pitcher. If Buerhle and E-Lo showed signs of slipping, I would be more inclined to agree. Prospect watching is the most frustrating experience.

Brando I was thinking about this post Corporations can borrow money, corporations can borrow money from individuals. Individuals can set the terms of the loan. The repayment can be defered for a very long time or even forgiven. That is not illegal, nor would it land anyone in jail. Selling shares is one way for a corporation to raise capitol, but not the only way. How does ncorgbl think some teams, for example, fund their own stadiums? This doesn't pass the common sense test. Am I missing something? Added later: I called a buddy of mine who works for a bank in their Corporate Loan Office. Corporations give loans all the time, it use to be a popular executive perk, now it has fallen somewhat out of favor as a perk. Legally one corporation can loan money to another. There are some restriction to protect both corporations shareholders investment, but it isn't illegal and in fact somewhat common. An example he gave was GM will loan suppliers money to fund expansion and upgrades to facilities. He mentioned they call it their "Too big to fail" plane for key suppliers. So in theory the Bulls could loan the Sox money, but seriously, why would they? On the borrowing side, corporations borrow money all the time and from a variety of places. Depending on the size of the corporation, and remember some corporations may have only one shareholder and less than 5,000 in sales to Exxon in size, they borrow from US sources, off shore sources, venture capital sources, and private individuals, sometimes called angels. The terms vary all over the place. As long as the corporation that receives the loan isn't being defrauded, or accepting unreasonable terms, it is ok and perfectly legal. If a shareholder or soxtalk really wished to loan the Sox say $5,000,000 this year and have the interest and principle deferd until 2020 or longer, there is no hardship to the Sox corporation, in fact it is a benefit, so the shareholders have no complaints. Since this would be in theory, a loan to meet payroll, there really would be no legal issue. Now, having debunked the great Ncorgbl, I do agree why should a shareholder be asked to personally give money to the organization when banks would be lined up to offer a loan with a major sports franchise as collateral? ncorgbl has claimed to be a successful businessman and an investor in the Sox, I wonder why he didn't know that?

I guess we are looking at the minimum for Sox pride. I think it is somewhere above wearing a Sox hat. During the black and silver gangsta days, Raiders and Sox gear were cool for the look, not the team.

I think CW brings up a good point. The laws of the state must be followed. Even though I do not support the death penalty, our legal system only works if jurors are prepared to follow the laws, not reject ones they do not personaly agree with. I would have no problem, if on a Texas jury, to vote the death penalty for someone who fell into that category. I still do not trust the government to execute it's citizens.

Where is an all of the above?

I all your years of experience following this team, what makes you so certain we can sign a front line FA pitcher? What makes you so certain we can get a player who isn't looking for more money than he "is worth"? When you were 12, everyone talked about how stacked our farm system was with can't miss pitching prospects. Remember Rauch? He was the head of the class, now he's the guy that ran out on the team. He was a sure fire, Cy Young candidate, minor league player of the year. Now we're stacked with outfield prospects. You'll understand in a dozen years. I'm done arguing with someone who has at best 4 or 5 years following this team. I have watched them do their best to attract and sign FAs and fail most of the time. I hope they find another E-Lo or Uribe. If you think they'll sign a major FA, I just do not have any confidence. The Yankees will also be looking for pitching, it's their achilles heel. E-Lo, Sho, Uribe these are the guys that we go after, not $$$$ free agents. After Belle, I can understand them being gun shy.

I hope you are correct.

We lost Colon, why didn't we sign a FA pitcher to replace him? Just because the team dumps Maggs doesn't mean we can attract the FA pitcher we want or that JR would spend the money on him. Remember we are being outbid on Maggs, why would you think we wouldn't be outbid on someone else?

C Olivo 1B Konerko 2B Harris SS Uribe 3B Crede RF Maggs CF Borchard LF Lee Starting Staff of Buerhle-Garcia-Loaiza-Garland-FA Pitcher 2, but depends on how Diaz performs. Your point? I ike this line up better. Tell me why you think Reed will do better than Maggs?

That's right he signed Uribe to that big contract.

Why are you accepting that the owners can only spend $60,000,000? and not $62,000,000? or $65,000,000? You are overly complicating this. Is Maggs better or worse than his replacement? You are looking to drop our #3 hitter, biggest offensive threat, and legitamate All-Star to fill a hole at the #5 starter. We do not need 2 arms in the pen, we are already one of the top 5 pens in the A.L., we need one closer, if Zero or Marte isn't the answer. And you still have a couple weeks before your 16th birthday. Excited about getting your driver's license? The first big road trip I took after getting my license was to Cominsky. I had my license for like 1 week and was in the middle of game day traffic. I cannot believe my car survived How many businesses to you think invest money to fund growth? Do you think every business waits to accumulate capitol before growing?

Mark, E-Lo, Garland, Sho, and Diaz/Rauch/Munoz whichever prospect pans out.

The same team as you with a $2,000,000 larger payroll. I guess you can predict the future better. You aren't encumbered with 30+ years of watching this team fail to make the World Series. Tell me would you rather have Maggs or Gloud?

I'll assemble the same team as you only with a $2,000,000 larger payroll and Maggs. I just noticed you are almost 16 years old. Imagine 26 years from now and you have watched season after season go by without a World Series appearance. Will you still be sucking up to the owners. Cause smart ass, that's what the f*** has been happening since before you were born. The same lame excuses, the same we have no money excuses. This isn't anything new. Ever since Curt Flood we've been hearing the FA game, we can dump this guy and get two more, look at these can't miss prospects, you'll understand in another 20 years.

And what is wrong with Maggs, a FA pitcher at $1,000,000 less per year, and two arms for the bull pen at $500,000 less per year than what we could sign? I'm using Maggs at $12 mil vs. $14 as the example. If JR said the payroll had to be $45,000,000 would you believe him? Unless I missed something, there is no cap besides what the owner self imposes. You choose to believe JR and $60,000,000 and blame Sox fans for not attending enough games. And I believe you also asked what my line up would be with Maggs, how about yours, only with Maggs and an extra $2,000,000 payroll from a franchise that estimates claim is worth hundreds of millions more than when they bought it? If Vlad stats fell, then would Maggs be worth $14,000,000? How does losing Maggs and not being able to sign a FA pitcher, two bull pen arms, and a closer help us win a World Series? And please do not back away from the question.

And how do you know we would have to trade them? Because ownership, who is trying to make a profit, tells you. If they tell you the check is in the mail, would you believe them? As long as Sox fans accept ownership's story and cheer attempts at maybe making the playoffs, that's all we'll have. So we are reduced to cheering, for playoff appearances. We judge success, not on World Series, but getting close. We judge players not on batting average, or wins and loses, but how that batting average compares to their salery. We'll cheer .275 from a guy making $300k, boo the same effort from a millionaire. I hope you all enjoy the games, while reading the players contracts and comparing them to other player's contracts. I know, wait until next year :headshake

He's worth it because he moves us closer to, not further away, from a World Series. How much is a year or two worth, waiting for someone to maybe blossom into an All-Star while Frank gets older? And as I said in another thread or maybe this one, at least outfield is the best area to lose our #3 hitter. Tell me, how are the Sox better off in the standings without Colon this season? Or is the only thing better off the shareholder's bottom line?