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QUOTE (Soxfest @ Jun 14, 2012 -> 09:22 AM) I am getting the Cardinals tv feed announcer said next year with Houston in AL, there will be a interleague game EVERY night of the year in 2013! Does that even seem possible? 15 teams in each league, not a choice. Just like there's always one NL only match-up when the other 28 teams are in interleague series. Same idea.

QUOTE (Marty34 @ Jun 14, 2012 -> 09:16 AM) Bump the Viciedo thread now. Be my guest. It's going to be the same old argument that happened yesterday. Let's say Viciedo is going to put up roughly the same numbers as Carlos Lee, be roughly the same defensively or perhaps a tick or so better because of his arm and a bit more speed...it's going to cost at least Viciedo for Greinke, and KW will refuse. They can structure it around Reed/Jones and Mitchell and another piece (Lillibridge), but then that won't be enough.

QUOTE (kapzk @ Jun 14, 2012 -> 09:10 AM) Why is Viciedo batting 3rd Probably just changed out Viciedo for Dunn without changing the whole batting order around. But Dayan is probably not the best hitter for 3rd while mired in his current slump.

Viciedo now 3/32 in June, 1 HR, 1 RBI. 0.094, 13 strikeouts Streaky. He went the last 7 games of May when he was locked in without striking out a single time.

QUOTE (ewokpelts @ Jun 14, 2012 -> 02:54 AM) I can see why the sox would want to use dynamic pricing, but it is not working. Let's look at this simple math. For a weekday, "regular" game, Let's say there's a row of 10 tickets in a section in Lower Box. The SEASON TICKET price per ticket is $40. So if the sox sold all 10 tickets in the row at $40 their income is $400. Now let's say the box office price in February(when tix went on sale) is $50 per ticket. If all 10 tickets sell at the box office(when dynamic prices are inactive), then the sox made $500, a profit of $100 over what the season ticket cost was. And that means to simply break even off the season ticket revenue, the sox would only need to sell 8 tickets. Now, with dynamic pricing, even if NONE of the tickets sold yet, the price is $60. The sox would make $600 off the 10 tickets that MAY sell. Because as we know, they are not selling. at all. The break even point for the sox is literally 6.66 tickets (at $60) to make the $400. And IF they sold all 10 tickets, you look at $600 in revenue. But let's be honest, those 10 tickets will be available at the box office day of game. In fact, if you go to the "special events" page at http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/cws/ticket...cial_events.jsp, you 'll probably find a discount offer for those same 10 seats at $25 each. The sox have a better chance of the tickets selling for $35 LESS than the dynamic price that they did even at the season ticket level. But we're the jerks for not buying tickets, right kenny? It's definitely working a lot better for the airlines, that's for sure. More people travelling than ever before, fewer airlines and seats, the explosion of "new wealth" in countries like China, India, the Middle East...it used to cost "only" $600-900 to fly from the US to Asia in 2007/2008, and now that price has roughly doubled in the last five years.

The other way of looking at it is he can already be quite successful throwing only fastballs mixed in with a few sliders, then imagine how good he could be with a change-up or curveball (see Buehrle, Mark). Essentially, he's a two pitch pitcher, and it's not like he has Jose Contreras' 2005-06 forkball and fastball combination working out there.

QUOTE (balfanman @ Jun 13, 2012 -> 11:34 PM) Thanks for all of the information everybody. After thinking about this, Robin Ventura must value defense much more than Ozzie ever did. If Ozzie was still here Johnson would have probably been called up a month ago. Not necessarily. He gave up on Josh Fields in LF quickly. Stayed with Omar Vizquel in 2010 because of his defense over Teahen, and the improved defense out of Ramirez, too, as a result. Didn't play Viciedo at times when he was seemingly the better option, especially offensively. Stayed with Juan Pierre over all other options the last two seasons. It might have just as much, if not more, to do with trusting veteran players over younger ones...but you couldn't say he was "offense first," except with maybe Mackowiak, Erstad and Griffey over Anderson in 2006-2008.

"He's proving he can pitch up here," Ventura said. "Again, his maturity is one of those things that shows up first for us. He has great stuff, and when he does what he's doing right now, he's making a strong case for staying around." First baseman Paul Konerko, who hit three singles, echoed Ventura. "He's one of those left-handers who can really bury the ball in on righties," Konerko said. "There's not a ton of those guys out there. "He goes right after people and throws on the inside part of the plate to righties, and there were a couple of guys who were ready for it and hit it. But you know there can be a lot of ground balls to the left side and he's not a comfortable (at-bat). He's not a soft throwing left-hander. It's not like he's throwing 95 or 100 mph, either, but his ball is heavy and it's cutting in and so you really have to have, as a hitter, your ducks in a row when a guy is doing that. "It's tough to lay off. There are a lot of balls he throws inside that are right there on the edge of the strike zone. You really have to make good decisions and he just keeps pounding it in there. He has had great results. Good for him." Konerko was impressed with the confidence Quintana showed in his defense, as evidenced by the two double plays. "I knew they were a good hitting team," Quintana said. "So I was focusing on trying to be in the inside to middle of the plate. One of my biggest concentrations was giving them the cutter. I was trying to throw that cutter, especially deep in the count." If Quintana continues to pitch well, the Sox could move Philip Humber to the bullpen unless they opt for a six-man rotation — an alignment they went with for about 21/2 months last year. "I'm just doing my job," Quintana said. "When they give me the ball, I'm just going to pitch. So the other stuff, I'm not concentrating on. I know I pitch Sunday, so I'm going to concentrate on that." http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseb...0,1046891.story

BEST MLB ROAD RECORDS CHW 18-9 Baltimore 18-12 Washington 19-13 Atlanta 20-14 Los Angeles Dodgers 18-13 The Sox announced the signing of eight of their top 11 draft picks. Second-round pick Chris Beck received a $600,000 bonus. ... Pitcher Thomas Royse, who missed all of last season because of elbow surgery, will start at Advanced Rookie Great Falls. Mitch Mustain, the former Arkansas and USC quarterback, will be used as a reliever at Advanced Rookie Bristol. www.chicagotribune.com/sports

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jun 13, 2012 -> 02:50 PM) Cleveland, for as much as everyone is considering them a threat, is a far worse team than the White Sox. -their best hitters currently are their middle infielders, and that's no knock on Cabrera and Kipnis because they're great players. Santana and Choo have been bad to meh, and I expect them to improve, but they simply aren't a very good offensive ballclub. They will be able to play matchups better than most, but they don't have a very talented offensive ballclub. The White Sox and Tigers do. -their rotation is very mediocre to bad. I expect Masterson's numbers to improve a bit as the year goes on, but I've never been a fan of Ubaldo, Derek Lowe's ERA shot up a point and a half in 3 starts (one of which was a 6+ IP, 1 ER outing against the Twins) and his recent history, peripherals, and everything else about him screams 4.50-5.00 ERA for the season. There's really not a whole lot going for that rotation. -there are good pitchers in the bullpen - Perez, Pestano (who should really be closing), Smith, and Hagadone are all good pitchers, but it lacks depth. -the defense is OK, but not as good as the White Sox. There's enough talent on that team for them to finish around .500, but there's no excuse for the White Sox to not finish above them in the standings. I don't give a flying f*** about the ASB, just be there at the end of the day on October 3rd. Brantley's been playing the best he ever has. If they could trade for Quentin or add an 85% Grady Sizemore, their line-up's complexion changes quite a bit as you also swap out an "over the hill" Johnny Damon from LF. Hannahan and Chisenahall are a bit suspect at 3B, but you switch out Kotchman's bat for a healthy Hafner (coming back in the 2nd half from knee surgery on the meniscus), they're at the very least formidable. Gomez was very good until his last 3-4 starts. Tomlin hasn't been as good as last year. Choo RF Kipnis 2B Cabrera SS Hafner DH Santana 1B/C Quentin/Damon LF Sizemore/Brantley CF/DH Hannahan/Chisenhall 3B Marson/Kotchman 1B/C Assuming they could pull off trading for Carlos Quentin, that would be a very formidable line-up 1-7 or 1-8. The only real weaknesses are when Damon, Marson and Kotchmann are all playing...and we're still not sure what kind of player Chisenhall's destined to be, but he was one of their top prospects, along with Kipnis.

QUOTE (OilCan @ Jun 13, 2012 -> 12:13 PM) http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_...2208581&v=3 MLB has him as a Top Prospect. No White Sox players can be "top" prospects. Impossible.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jun 13, 2012 -> 11:42 AM) To me, the answer is to get a defensive ss and replace Peralta. They don't need his bat at the expense of that glove at one of the most important positions on the diamond. They should acquire two defensive studs to play ss and second, and when they get Austin Jackson and Avila back, they can probably live with what they get from the two fattys at the corners and Mr Young in left. They already have Jackson back. The next question is how long they can be patient with Boesch. Q. Berry played very well in Jackson's absence. I know Boesch failed in the 8th with runners at 1st and 2nd and one out. Now that Inge is gone, he's probably the favorite whipping boy for the local media.

More evidence tonight why Peralta should be back to playing 3B and not SS. But with Cabrera and Fielder ensconced on the corners, they have 4 DH's already if you include Victor Martinez. The problem is that 3 of them are playing the infield.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jun 13, 2012 -> 11:25 AM) Teams do this all the time, guys...the world doesn't end if a guy comes in and gives up 4 runs. He's still a professional pitcher...he's not going to give up like 100 runs in one inning. And if he does, well, it still costs the same as Gavin Floyd and Phil Humber's losses do everytime they pitch. Yes, spot starts like Stults and Axelrod. I'm talking about start after start after start for an extended period of time. As it is, we're already going with a High A pitcher in Quintana. We can survive another, perhaps, but it puts so much stress on Sale/Peavy to continue to perform. Mr. Danks has to be a 2/3 guy and not a 5 from now on, that's for sure.

QUOTE (oldsox @ Jun 13, 2012 -> 11:22 AM) Hudson stays alive with big hit. Didn't he do that last week already? 2 more than Alex Rios had all of 2011...joking, sort of.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 13, 2012 -> 11:21 AM) +1.5 on CLE +6 on DET Despite all the angst over Humber, Floyd and our 2-4 homestand (see Greg), we've lost all of 1 game against CLE and the Cubs actually beat the Tigers, which you wouldn't have predicted, anymore than the Reds' bullpen imploding last night. So things are more or less exactly where they should be... Because I know at the beginning of the year, we all predicted Pablo Escobar Quintana would be gunning down Adam Wainright at Busch Stadium in the middle of June with the White Sox in first place by just half a game!

QUOTE (Baron @ Jun 13, 2012 -> 11:17 AM) You would think that. Or it could be quite the opposite. What prospects did you want up? Castro or Molina? Molina's not close to ready. Castro has better stuff, overall, but he's been maddeningly inconsistent. If we're looking for yet another Quintana, it's Pedro Hernandez, but he's currently on the DL.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jun 13, 2012 -> 11:15 AM) This year we've had two starters worth a crap and Quintana for a few good abbreviated starts. I would expect we could piece together 3 guys that could give us what Floyd/Humber/Danks has produced for us thus far. Right now, the next starter in would clearly be Axelrod. Option 1A would have to be either Stewart or Santiago, but then you're going to get the game to the pen in the 4th or 5th. Option 2 would be Simon Castro, but can you really go to a AA pitcher in the heat of a pennant race? Didn't we already learn that lesson with Jackson for Hudson/Holmberg ONCE already?

QUOTE (Marty34 @ Jun 13, 2012 -> 11:08 AM) I think if they got Grienke tomorrow they'd be among the favorites for the AL Championship. Now do that without trading Viciedo, Jones and Mitchell. Our left fielder would be Dan Johnson, Jordan Danks, Lillibridge or Fukudome. We'd have nothing left to deal to fix LF's lack of production. Trading Jones would blow another hole in the bullpen, and remove a future closer from the equation. If you wanted to go crazy, you could stick Dunn in LF with Flowers at DH, but you know how bad that would make our outfield defense? Do you really want to go there...with Hudson at 3B and Dunn in LF? Look at the results of that kind of approach in Detroit this season!!

We beat the World Series champs on the road with a Colombian 95% of SoxTalk didn't know about 4 months ago and yet we've spent most of the game thread trading Alexei Ramirez and Dayan Viciedo. If JR hadn't been burned by 2009-2011, there might be some willingness to spend on a Wright or Greinke. For now, they're too hot to the touch. Besides, the Mets aren't doing to lose both Wright and Reyes, their attendance is already falling big-time. They have to keep a homegrown star in the fold. As for Greinke, the price is Viciedo and Reed, bargained down to Viciedo and Jones or Mitchell. Nothing less.

Quintana is the Phil Humber of 2012. Has really saved the team, and especially KW's butt. Whoever recommended picking him up deserves a promotion in the scouting department. Of all the starters in MLB in the middle of June, 2012, his story might be the most surprising of all. This puts a ton of pressure on Humber's next outing.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jun 13, 2012 -> 10:55 AM) No, I'm well-aware of them. There won't be an left after this year. Any money for the White Sox to spend or superstars to attract to the SouthSide? Remember, with Wright, there are going to be some of the same concerns about transition to the AL that were evidenced by Dunn's 2011 and the beginning of Pujols' 2012 season.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jun 13, 2012 -> 10:51 AM) Luckily for you, I'm not putting in an application. There are certain players worth the money...is Miguel Cabrera worth the contract? The Tigers were ridiculous to trade cost - controlled talent for him...dombrowski obviously does not know how to run a franchise. Cameron Maybin and Andrew Miller were overvalued and had yet to prove anything at the big league level when they were acquired. We have nobody like that, other than Mitchell, and he's not the centerpiece of a Greinke trade.

I'm sure he had a conversation with his manager about the team's possible future plans for him and KW advised the staff that he wasn't in the picture for them going forward. Can't blame the kid, he's done everything he could do at the minor league level this year.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jun 13, 2012 -> 10:47 AM) I'd pay the money for Wright. You're going to give him a $120-140 million contract? That's nice, but you aren't JR. It's always fun to spend the money of others, especially after watching what happened with Peavy, Dunn and Rios the last 2-3 seasons.