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The only time I saw Rios talking was that video of him cursing out a fan who was trying to get an autograph somewhere in Chicago after a not-so-great game by him one of the last couple of years. But the fans was kind of taunting him, so what do you expect when someone's not playing well?

14 in a row retired by Sox pitching to end the game going away.

Meanwhile, Konerko at .396 and threatening Brett/Gwynn/Williams, as the slowest player in baseball history to challege .400 into June.

Now only 3 behind Baltimore for 4th place in AL runs scored. Amazing. What is about playing Cleveland? Just like the opening series last season in CLE. Viciedo hammered that one, too. Laying out clotheslines in all directions of the park.

Trade Rios, Trade Rios, Trade Rios. LOL. Hide the children, incoming missile. Should have really been 5 for 5 with a homer and at least 4 more RBI's. What the heck is going on?

They might as well start the statue design and construction right now. Wonder what kind of contract they'll be able to work out after 2013 to retire him as a White Sox? Would be a shame to see him finish his career in another team's jersey.

QUOTE (Noonskadoodle @ May 26, 2012 -> 05:33 PM) When was the last time we finished top 5? Probably 2006 or 2008. Although possibly 2010, but I'd doubt it. 2010, 7th in AL runs scored 2008, 5th 2006, 3rd (1st for most of the first four months)

AL RUNS SCORED 1. TEXAS, 261 2. BOS, 240 3. TOR, 223 4. BAL, 219 5. CHW, 214 6. NYY, 213 7. TB, 204 Manto Power. 27,000+ in attendance. We do have to remember no Hafner, no Cabrera, no Carlos Santana, no Grady Sizemore. Santana is actually on the DL now after that shot off the mask. Not sure I've ever seen that...so many concussion-related issues in sports the last 5 years, MLB and NFL especially.

Jeez. 70 pitches already. Peavy has to give us at least a couple of more innings somehow...but Robin's got to keep him from completely blowing us out of the game. 1st and 3rd in the AL in ERA coming into the game, 9 runs already allowed in 2+ innings.

QUOTE (Jake @ May 26, 2012 -> 03:54 PM) Those free baserunners f***ing suck. We had 5-6 great swings in the first, they've had two. But Peavy has nobody to blame but himself. And Kipnis is quickly becoming the most dangerous hitter on the Indians.

Well, that sucks. 6-0 and 4-0 leads against our two biggest divisional rivals. POOF. Leads gone, just like that.

Another argument, +21 RS/RA differential leads the AL Central. Not to mention our 3-6 versus Cleveland's 10-2 record in one run games...and the overall home record has to improve as well. We finally have our bullpen as well-organized as it's going to get, and Chris Perez just isn't that good.

20 RBI's now for Viciedo. Blame it all on Hudson (kind of like when they added Vizquel to the 3B equation in 2010). If Beckham can get rolling in the 2 hole, this team legitimately does have a good chance. You have to believe Ramirez will pick it up at some point, too.

The offense is just rolling. Still gave up 4 runs. That almost never happens when you lose a 3 run homer. Six balls killt today already in just the first inning.

12 game hit streak for Paulie. 21 for his last 39 (.538). 4 homers and 10 RBI's. .385 overall average. Remember the beaning. Dammit, lost a three run homer!!! Crap.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ May 26, 2012 -> 12:25 PM) The problem for the Sox is that it was more than just "A bad season", it's compounding multiple years of disappointment, ending in 2 really, incredibly disappointing seasons, and big budget cuts/the kids can play rebuilding. It's all because Ozzie isn't around to entertain the fans and media.

I think that's the first time Peavy has consistently thrown 93 MPH in the first inning of a game this season (MLB GameDay readings, not USCF).

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ May 26, 2012 -> 02:58 PM) Be careful though...Viciedo actually hurt himself in spring training. He played through it the whole year. He was effective playing through it, but it effected him the whole year, and it really came back late in the year and really started impacting his swing there. In 2010 he didn't look like he belonged on the MLB roster. He looked like a kid with a ton of power potential but very little control over the strike zone. He hit some early HR (I was in the crowd for his first MLB homer), but then people figured out he couldn't lay off pitches up and he couldn't get on top of them, so he became an easy K. On top of that, he was in the middle of the insane defensive movement the Sox put him through, so he had no position where he was even close to tolerable. It's pretty hard to argue an 840 OPS (with our offensive woes for most of the last 3+ seasons) wasn't SOMEWHAT ready, but you bring up some good points. Interestingly, Dayan's career OPS now is exactly at 741, which is still above the average at LF by 14 points. Out of a 23 year old with tons of potential to keep improving, it should at least bury the trade thread for the remainder of the season.

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/cowley/1271...-joe-crede.html Hadn't realized that Morel was dealing with 2-3 physical problems at the same time. Surprised they let things go on as long as they did, based on this. Guess they just didn't have any better options and Hudson wasn't yet available.

White Sox offensive ranks now... 7th in Runs Scored 6th in Homers 5th in SLG 6th in OPS

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ May 26, 2012 -> 02:25 PM) Viciedo genuinely wasn't ready last year. He would have been better than Pierre, Rios, or Dunn, but that's because those guys were so terrible. He'd have struggled more than we saw in April, especially since he had that hand injury bothering him the whole year (especially late in the season). I think De Aza would have been a serious upgrade last year if Pierre had gone to the bench early when he deserved to, or Rios went to the bench by midseason when he deserved to. I was referring more to that time in May/early June when Viciedo was the hottest hitter in AAA, before he hurt himself. Not sure how we could say he wasn't ready last year when he already showed up in late 2010 and looked like he really belonged for most of his time on the roster...until fading late. Of course, the counter-argument is that Ozzie protected him more and he saw a lot of LHP and was skipped against some of the toughest RHP.

QUOTE (2nd_city_saint787 @ May 26, 2012 -> 02:35 PM) Does it really matter?? Prospects are never a sure thing until they prove it in the bigs. Look at his numbers before this year, absolutely phenomenal. Things just haven't worked out this year for whatever reason. He's still only 23 years old, if he doesnt make the bigs and Santos comes back from his injury and is a solid closer for years to come then yes it would end up being a bad trade....Enough to can KW, hell no, once again look at the kids stats. Stats don't mean as much before AA. They're one indicator, but making that jump from High A to AA is usually the hardest one in terms of adjustments to the level of talent. In the end, it's always about making projections and weighing potential, risk vs. reward.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ May 26, 2012 -> 02:27 PM) I go Kenny. Even if Paddy loves him, Kenny makes the final call...and Kenny decides what he's willing to give up for him. He should have gotten a 2nd player back somewhere just to give some insurance incase Molina isn't all that. That said, Molina still has a long way to go before he's a bust. He's a strike thrower...it might well be that he's used to getting people out by throwing in the zone, but now that he's in AA people are hitting his pitches in the zone, so he would instead need to learn to get people out on the corners, and that would take time. Just interesting that there's someone with a very similar fastball in Quintana, and left-handed...and less experienced in the minors, and he's already "major league ready" and didn't cost us anything. I really wonder who was able to straighten out Quintana so quickly to the point where he was the best candidate to be promoted...or if it was mostly a case of the LH-dominated Indians' line-up? Because they could have just as easily chosen to go with Hernandez or even started Santiago and probably gotten 3-4 IP out of him.

QUOTE (iamshack @ May 26, 2012 -> 02:20 PM) Look, the overall goal is to produce the most possible talent with the resource pool that you have. I could care less if we draft them, if we steal them all from Cuba, if we abduct them from North Korea, if we trade for them, if we claim them on waivers...I could give a rat's ass. We have clearly not had any huge hits with out high draft choices within the last several years. Sale, Hudson, Gio probably being our best selections. However, we have had some major finds in other areas, such as the waiver wire, the Cuban signees, some trades, etc. So technically, by the strictest definition of things, yes, maybe our "farm" system sucks. However, we consistently find ways to produce quality players, and the evidence of that is out there, whether on our ballclub or elsewhere. Except for Chris Sale, and the possibility Gordon Beckham is going to turn it back around and be our regular 2B the next 3 years and put up a consistent 700-725 OPS. Then those drafts look better, along with Mitchell coming along nicely in BIRM and likely to put up even better stats in Charlotte.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ May 26, 2012 -> 02:06 PM) What do you honestly know about what KW is or is not looking at? Stop with the grandiose speculation. Molina will get to the majors when ready. So if Molina doesn't have a bigger impact than say, Quintana, would you blame that on KW or Paddy? Just curious. Because the fact that he made that mistake in annoucing the trade would lead one to believe he wasn't the key driver on that deal. Yeah, it's speculation, but what else do we have to go on? I'm not trying to be grandiose, but that was our best opportunity of the offseason to get an impact player, and now that window is gone unless we can get something back for Thornton, Crain or Floyd. It's probably NOT going to be THE reason we don't make the playoffs...and maybe there is no way you go out and get a 3B (because of Morel's last 6 weeks) or OF (because you have 3 of them already, plus Lillibridge's 2011)...and the only logical thing at the time was to add to the starting pitching depth. Whoever scouted Quintana in the FSL deserves a ton of credit, though. It's not a league that any of our minor league teams play in, so it doesn't get quite as much coverage or attention.