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Trying to find more reasons to look in the bright side. Even if we did make the playoffs and lost in the first series, we'd earn less money than if we had Brett Myers on our roster next season if they let him finish 6 more games, haha. Inside the Numbers: How MLB Postseason Gate Revenues Are Split Written by Maury Brown Friday, 24 September 2010 14:13 When financial documents for several MLB clubs were leaked to Deadspin last month, two pieces of information that has been a source of curiosity for many fans was somewhat revealed. With the Rays and Angels documents showing how much the respective clubs made in the postseason, a window was opened into how much extra revenues a club can make by reaching the postseason. But, from that point, little detail was provided. A postseason revenue figure does not cover how MLB’s rules dictate how much a club can pull in. With the 2010 postseason about to arrive, discussions around clubs that are reaching that goal are surfacing in the media. With the Minnesota Twins being the first to clinch a position, John Vomhof Jr. of the Minneapolis/St. Paul Business Journal contacted me to discuss postseason revenues for the club (see Playoffs add millions to Twins’ lucrative season). As reported: The Angels reported $12.1 million in revenue from hosting five first- and second-round playoff games in 2009 and nearly $4.4 million for hosting two first-round games in 2008, according to the reports published by Deadspin.com. The Rays made almost $17.7 million in revenue on the six postseason games they hosted in 2008. Having two home games in the World Series helped boost those results. The Twins might not be able to expect as much revenue from early-round games as the Angels made last year, but they should be able to surpass the Rays’ results, said Maury Brown, founder and president of the Business of Sports Network, which includes the Biz of Baseball website. “It’s in the millions of dollars,” Brown said of the financial impact the Twins will receive from making the playoffs this year. “And depending on how far they go, it could be upwards of $10 million.” Vomhof does a good job of digesting the key aspects of MLB’s Rules document, that details how the revenues are to be split between players and the clubs that make the postseason. The logic, however, is simple: the further you go into the posteason, and the more games you host, the more revenues a club can make. To begin with, one needs to understand that with the postseason, clubs actually lose seating capacity. How? Here’s the demands placed on clubs making the postseason to provide ticket and seating. And remember… this doesn’t cover the seats chewed up by overflow media seating considerations which can many times go into the hundreds over what a normal regular season game demands. (e) TICKET PRIORITIES. The order in which requests for reserved seat tickets for the World Series shall be filed is as follows: (1) Visiting Club. Five hundred reserved seat tickets for each game to the visiting club, for accommodations of its officials and guests, the same to be paid for by the visiting Club. (2) Players. Five tickets for each eligible player of the visiting team, which shall be delivered to and paid for by each player through the business manager of the player's Club. (3) Commissioner's Office and Club Officials. Requests filed by the Commissioner's Office and Major League Club officials or parties of prominence with the Commissioner. (4) Major League Clubs. Major League Clubs (other than the visiting Club), 100 reserved seat tickets, 16 of which shall be box seats. Eight of the 16 box seats shall be grouped together in the lower deck between first and third base, and 20 of the remaining 84 reserved seats shall be so situated. DIVISION OF POST-SEASON RECEIPTS The gate receipts from the World Series, from the first four games of each League Championship Series, and from the first three games of each Division Series (which shall be remitted by the participating Clubs to the Office of the Commissioner within 24 hours after the completion of each game) shall be divided as follows: (a) COMMISSIONER. Fifteen percent from all World Series games shall be paid to the Office of the Commissioner. A percentage set annually by the Commissioner, and approved by the Major League Executive Council, in accordance with Rule 26(b) (Assessment of Paid Attendance Receipts), from all League Championship Series games shall be paid to the Office of the Commissioner. (b) PLAYERS. (1) Creation of Pool. One players' pool shall be created from the World Series, the two League Championship Series and the four Division Series. Contributions shall be made into the pool as follows: (A) Sixty percent of the total gate receipts from the first four World Series games; (B) Sixty percent of the total gate receipts from the first four games of each League Championship Series; and © Sixty percent of the total gate receipts from the first three games of each Division Series. So, as the rules show, a sizeable chunk of revenues for the clubs that make the postseason get lopped off the top before owners get their cut. You’ll note that the owners don’t get to reap the full benefits of the playoffs unless a game goes past deciding games. The reason for the players getting the large percentage is to keep them from throwing games. The slicing a dicing of the revenues gets detailed further: CLUBS—COMMISSIONER'S OFFICE. (1) World Series. After the fifteen percent payable to the Office of the Commissioner and the sixty percent which forms the players' pool in the first four games of the World Series, as required by Rule 45(b)(1)(A), the balance of the gate receipts shall be equally divided between the two participating Major League Clubs. (2) League Championship Series. (A) After the percentage payable to the Commissioner's Office pursuant to Rule 45(a) and the sixty percent which forms the players' pool in the first four League Championship Series games in each League, as required by Rule 45(b)(1)(B), the balance of the gate receipts from said four League Championship Series games of a League shall be equally divided between the two Clubs participating in the League Championship Series of that League. (B) If the League Championship Series games in a League shall exceed four, the gate receipts of such playoff games in excess of four shall be divided as follows: first, the Commissioner's Office shall be paid the percentage described in Rule 45(a), and then the remaining receipts shall be equally divided between the two Clubs participating in the League Championship Series of that League. (3) Division Series. (A) After the percentage payable to the Commissioner's Office pursuant to Rule 45(a) and the sixty percent which forms the players' pool in the first three Division Series games in each Division Series, as required by Rule 45(b)(1)(B), the balance of the gate receipts from said three Division Series games in each Division Series shall be equally divided between the two Clubs participating in such Division Series. (B) If the games in a Division Series shall exceed three, the gate receipts of such playoff games in excess of three shall be divided as follows: first, the Commissioner's Office shall be paid the percentage described in Rule 45(a), and then the remaining receipts shall be equally divided between the two Clubs participating in such Division Series. So, the one true benefactor that cannot fail to receive gate revenues to the maximum extent is the Commissioner’s Office, who gets their percentage ahead of all others. The players are next, and then any deciding games after the series minimum is reached, those revenues are split equally. So, in the sense that there is pure parity when it comes to gate receipts. If the Padres and Yankees make the World Series, the Padres get the same cut as the Yankees, even if for some reason the Padres weren’t to pull in the same amount of revenues as the Yankees were to. So, for owners, there is money to be made even if your club were to get swept in a given postseason series, but they reap even greater rewards if a series goes beyond the minimum, not just because of the extra games, but because the two teams get 100% of the gate after the Commissioner's Office takes their slice off the top. And we’re just talked the direct revenues for the postseason. Clubs that reach the playoffs get a slingshot effect into the following season in the form of increased season ticket and suite sales due to a good showing in the standings. Everyone loves a winner, and the belief that a team that is in the playoffs one year, should be a contender the next. An owner, his GM, and staff can always hope.

Sox could be up by 4 games. Or the homer Austin Jackson just hit could be the start of a sweep by the Tigers. Who knows?

All things considered, losing those games to the Twins in 2003, 2004 and down the stretch in 2008 might be worse than losing 9/10 to the Tigers or 12/18 to the Royals this season. Our expectations were very high in 2003, low in 2008 (except Quentin, Ramirez, Floyd and Danks elevated them) and quite low again this year. I can't remember very many credible national baseball prognosticators predicting 100 losses, but there were quite a few 87-95 loss projections. After a certain trend developed (and this has been ongoing for 2-3 years now with the Royals), you've just come to almost be resigned to losing to them, although you thought with the solid victory on Tuesday that they might take 2/3 at least. That last game, because it was the most recent, stings the most...you just have the feeling that a 3 game lead would have been enough to get it done, but that 2 won't be...razor sharp margin. We still have a chance to pull it out with that homestand, but you really wonder if we could survive for about the 10th time this team a setback like getting swept in LA while the Tigers are possibly sweeping the Twins at home.

QUOTE (kitekrazy @ Sep 22, 2012 -> 11:08 AM) Their fans want everyone gone except Fielder, Cabrera, Scherzer and V. That also goes for the manager and GM. Scherzer's a bargain for them right now. If this guy continues to progress, they are going to have to dish out some serious money. They already outbid every team a great deal signing Fielder. They are willing to spend money but they are not the Yankees when it comes to revenue. Their fan base has every right to be far more pissed than Sox fans. Two aces and 2 MVP candidates are not good enough to overcome dumb baseball. They remind me of the early century Sox teams. Except those 2002-2010 Twins' teams could go for entire seasons with 3-5 or fewer blown saves...or losses when the club was leading in the 7th inning and beyond. We have the power and defensive similarities with the 1987 Twins, but none of the execution and clutchness, at least not recently. Those teams almost NEVER beat themselves. How many games that we've lost since, say, the Baltimore series, could we honestly say that? Or for the entire season?

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Sep 22, 2012 -> 09:21 AM) Didn't you already write off next season a few months ago? The week that Chris Sale was pulled from the starting rotation and made a closer, yeah, that would have been the end of our season as far as competing for the division. And I still stand by that statement to this day.

QUOTE (fathom @ Sep 22, 2012 -> 08:59 AM) Question #1: Can Chris Sale be an effective starter Compared to this time last year, the Sox future seems much more stable to me. It's definitely more stable, simply because of Sale, Rios and Dunn. HOWEVER, there are almost as many ?'s as the past off-season. A lot of them can be answered with money, and that's where that $5-10 million from the playoff shares would really help, as well as an increase in season ticket sales for 2013. On the other hand, we have a big-time closer dilemma at this point. No answer at 3B, but Flowers has made enough strides you could argue he deserves 3-4 months to hold the starting catcher role in 2012. Thornton, Reed, Crain and Jones have all shown flashes and also been horrible quite often, especially Reed in the 2nd half. You almost never know what you're going to get out of Matt Thornton on a game-by-game basis. Viciedo's done just enough to alleviate any concerns whether he's an impact hitter. As you've mentioned many many times, there are now serious concerns about his ability to hit RHPers, especially ones with dominating stuff. If he's a platoon player against only LHP, that's a big loss to the organization moving forward. All that said, the Tigers are going to be much more formidable next season....there's no doubt about that. And can we honestly say we expect to put an improved team on the field for 2012 from what we have now with Youk, AJ, Myers, Peavy, Floyd, etc.???

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Sep 22, 2012 -> 07:47 AM) And its not like these same things haven't been brought up by the thread starter 1000 times already, although I do give him credit for trying to offset his total bummer thread starter by throwing in some Tiger dilemmas. Here's the sunny side, just for you. (Although I have a hard time imagining having written more than 50 of these opening post threads in my lifetime, I guess 1,000's pretty close). Beckham wins the Gold Glove in 2012 over Cano and becomes a consistent 700-725 OPS guy, maybe even 750. Ramirez gives us essentially what he has for the past 4-5 seasons with no "aging" regression, especially defensively. Viciedo cuts down on his swing with two strikes, learns to take more fastballs to RF and CF and ends up a 280 hitter with 30 homers, 90 RBI's and a decent OBP. Quintana and Santiago are both the real deals and end up anchoring the rotation while Danks scuffles. Sale makes it through 2012 and 2013 without any "wear and tear" hiccups. Trayce Thompson continues to evolve into a legitimate CFer prospect and ends up having a super solid August/September with the Sox, leaving lots of questions about who to keep and who to trade between DeAza, Viciedo and Mitchell, who makes tremendous strides in 2013 at Charlotte and mirrors his 2012 all the way through the AAA season, cutting down his K's. One of the AFL guys like Thompson, Rienzo or Salvador Sanchez makes the team out of ST. Nate Jones and Addison Reed become a devastating closing tandem, with pinpoint command and mastery of their sliders....Jones starts the 9th against lefties, Reed against RHBers. Donnie Veal isn't a one year wonder. Tyler Flowers improves on AJ's defensive numbers while putting up a .230 average, lots of walks, 22-24 homers and 67 RBI's. Beck, Rienzo, Molina, Castro or Johnson emerge as a legit starter for 2014 with a Daniel Hudson/McCarthy-esque run through the minors. Carlos Sanchez continues to make strides and becomes a legit 3B with doubles power, solid defense and occasional homers and SB's.

His batting average for post-ASB went under .200 with yesterday's 0-fer. He does have a mid 700's OPS, at least, which is 200 points better than Morel would have given us, but worth $13 million? Plus his spotty defense and a significant number of missed games and nagging injuries.

QUOTE (nitetrain8601 @ Sep 22, 2012 -> 06:18 AM) It happens. Whenever you think we're about to finally lay down, this team surprises us. I bet we lose tonight, Detroit wins, the board self-implodes, and then tomorrow, the exact opposite happens. Better yet, Detroit is swept by the Twins, and Scherzer is lost for the season (but not a career-threatening injury). The Twins cause the Tigers to blow up their entire bullpen on Sunday with two extra innings losses by one run.

Especially when you consider 2013: Who plays 3B? Do we trade Ramirez or hold onto him waiting for some of our other (outfield) prospects to develop? Is Konerko really slowing down finally, or is it simply the wrist/bone fragment issue bothering him? What will we get out of John Danks? Quintana in sophomore campaign? Will the real Gordon Beckham please stand up? What will be Santiago's role? Can Addison Reed, Jesse Crain, Thornton and Jones be counted on? Which Veal will show up, the journeyman or reincarnation of Neal Cotts 2006? Can Dunn and Rios repeat? Does Viciedo have a role on this team if DeAza's not going to want to play CF? Is Wise actually a part of the 2013 plans at this point? Where will AJ, Youk, Peavy, Floyd, Crain and Thornton end up to start 2013? The Tigers have fewer questions: 1) Can Victor Martinez adjust to being a full-time DH/occasional 1B? 2) Can they live with Peralta and Infante's defense up the middle? 3) Will Dirks repeat or go into a sophomore slump? 4) Is Avisail Garcia for real? 5) Can Scherzer and Verlander stay healthy for another season? 6) Do they want to live with Delmon Young and Boesch offensively/defensively? 7) Will the real Alex Avila please stand up? 8) Can Austin Jackson repeat the huge strides he's made in 2012?

The thing is, the KC Royals didn't make Alex Rios hesistate when breaking for the plate (probably the fact that he knew runs can't score from third with less than 2 outs) or make Alexei Ramirez fall asleep and get picked off 3rd as well. The Royals were willing to give us that game (the Guthrie errant throw down the 1B line), and likely the playoffs with a 3 game lead and only 13 left to go. But we gave it right back to them by not destroying their will to fight back in that game, and had the predictable bullpen letdown late. If we got Liriano a 4-5-6 run lead, that game would have turned out much differently.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 21, 2012 -> 09:58 PM) That is true. Only the White Sox. ... If we collapse the rest of the way and don't make the postseason, will you guys be mad or just sad? This team is so bizarre I feel differently depending on the day. Resigned. And knowing the challenge posed by Detroit is only going to be greater next season with Martinez back, Alburquerque for the entire season....maybe a ROY campaign by Avisail Garcia. All things considered, it would be a miracle for the Sox to beat DET next year unless Verlander and Scherzer both go down to injury. Not quite as bad as in 2008, because that would have been 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2006 and 2008 that the Twins had beaten us, with only 2005 in between.

QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Sep 21, 2012 -> 09:42 PM) Only we could get owned by Chen, Guthrie, and Santana all right in a row We didn't really get owned like the other two guys. We just didn't take advantage of numerous opportunities presented. What new?

THIS.TEAM.IS.DEAD. Was it over when the Chinese took over the Diaoyu Islands?

QUOTE (rafacosta @ Sep 21, 2012 -> 09:27 PM) what the hell is Viciedo doing in this lineup? RV, you still have the division in your hands. Bench his sorry ass agst RHs, at least! You have to go Wise in CF, DeAza in LF from here on out against righties. Maybe even getting in Johnson more often against tough righties, although it's pretty hard to bench Konerko. You also might have to move Beckham up and Youk down, or at least have Wise second on the road instead of YOUK.

Jake Peavy is not an ace. No news there. Goodbye, and good riddance. They're getting fastballs to hit, the White Sox haven't gotten any since Game 1 against the Royals. The reason, as Farmer notes, because they're swinging at the other crap.

The Tigers play horribly on the road...where they will be to end the season. The Tigers are also going to have a much more difficult time sweeping the Twins with a day/night doubleheader Sunday. As long as we're in first place on Monday, even if it's a tie for 1st, we'll probably be okay. Even if we're down by 1, we play the Indians well and the Rays might already be eliminated from all reasonable contention...not to mention we don't face David Price as things are currently lining up, obviously subject to change.

QUOTE (Andy the Clown @ Sep 21, 2012 -> 09:05 PM) I don't want Peavy back with the Sox, discount or not. All he does is throw fat 90 mph fastballs and hanging sliders. The dude is garbage. Wise is in CF, this game is still tied 1-1 and you're not calling Peavy garbage. DeAza in CF is playing like garbage, that much is true. Meanwhile, the White Sox hitting .241 on the road and looking to be dead in the water with just one hit. Bad hop prevents Ramirez from making a play, but he probably would have been safe anyway at 1B.

At some point in the future, we'll have runners who can beat out those plays....unlike Dunn, Konerko and AJ. Station to station corpseball in the 2nd half has left so many runners in scoring position at 2nd and 3rd because they can't advance two bases at a time. It's like they're all standing around and waiting for the homers instead of taking good approaches, knowing Santana's leading the majors in taters given up.

White Sox forgetting to hit the ball up the middle and to the opposite field like earlier in the season when they were going so well offensively. Manto and Ventura really need to wake them up somehow before we get swept away by Haren and Weaver.

QUOTE (Skipper @ Sep 21, 2012 -> 08:57 PM) Too many mental errors recently. I think this team is just running out of gas. It's an error whenever DeAza is in CF with his back to the wall. Then there was just a brain cramp or lack of awareness about the situation...not hustling to get the ball back in quickly enough. No excuses, and we're seeing these kinds of mistakes game after game after game biting us in the behinds. Rios and Ramirez yesterday, Dayan the game before (as well as Dayan and Alexei hitting with the bases loaded), DeAza sucking tonight defensively as he's obviously not comfortable in CF. That puts RV in the position of having to bench Viciedo and play DeAza in LF and Wise in CF. And that's not a good long-term solution for organization.

DeAza just gave the Angels two runs. Playing way too far back in CF again. Bench him. Then he ended up lackadaisically surrendering 2B to Pujols. Should have been a single and just one RBI, not a double and two RBI's. Actually, Wise would have been camped right under it and the game would/should have been tied still. So he's given us one run with the homer but cost two runs defensively. Our outfield defense has really cost us in the last week or so, especially Dayan and DeAza, who's just not confident enough going back on balls to not play with the CF fence right behind him.

C'mon Youk, let's pick up this RISP. Sigh. If Beckham continues to rake and Youk takes another 0 fer, you almost have to move Gordon to the 2 spot or Wise. Maybe you move Beckham up to 6th or 7th if you're going to play Wise and bat him 2nd. Either way, less Youk and Viciedo at-bats right now, especially on the road and against RHP. You might even have to think about sitting Konerko a bit and playing Johnson (against tough righties like Haren or Weaver).

75% of the time, he really doesn't have to do those 360 spin moves. I think it was warranted that time, but he tends to go for the flashy ESPN highlight plays when they're not always necessitated.

Almost the best double play of the year if Ramirez could have completed his patented spin move and made the accurate throw.