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QUOTE (Thunderbolt @ Jul 30, 2010 -> 09:00 PM) How the hell can you make a move like this to set up a lateral move that you don’t know for sure will be of any of interest to the other team? Kenny got played hard if this Nats stuff is true. I don't think this is the case. Same thing with the Rios roster claim...KW knows what he's doing. If there was an agreement between the two GM's and the Nationals backed out, Rizzo won't last for long before he starts to get a bad reputation. JR wouldn't have let KW take the risk this would happen as well...unless our financial concerns have been wildly overstated.

Who's to say Viciedo might not become an even better hitter someday than Dunn? The guy just rakes line drives all around the park, why would we want to pay Dunn $45 million for 3 years AND give up Viciedo? If we keep Jackson, we have to get some lower cost players in the line-up SOMEWHERE.

WOW name, but no longer a WOW player at this stage of his career, which has honestly been KW's modus operandi with many mid-season acquisitions over the years...

So Mike Scioscia is also an A--, because Derek Lee refused to be traded to the Angels? Wouldn't you rather play in the city where you have a 95% chance of making the playoffs/World Series, versus a team that has a 50/50 chance at best to make the playoffs and is missing one of its top starters for the remainder of the season, also knowing that Guillen is likely to leave you at DH instead of allowing you to play 1B in deference to his captain?

QUOTE (balfanman @ Jul 30, 2010 -> 06:36 PM) I see the moron who is Phil Rogers is at it again. Basically says that letting go of Hudson is akin to losing Jared Weaver. Hyperbole abounds on days like this. I remember the time we traded for Damaso Marte, the Pirates' GM at the time compared him to a "young Greg Maddux" and most of the White Sox fanbase was furious, thinking they could have waited and gotten Marte on a roster claim when he was DFA'ed, as the Pirates had two other young lefties at the time, I think one was Beimel.

Has KW said how he's planning to pay for that top-heavy rotation and not bankrupt the rest of the roster at C, 1B, DH, etc.? Didn't we already go with this kind of a rotation only in 2006, only to realize in the end it was too expensive to maintain...with Contreras, Garland and Javy making too much money at the back end?

The problem is if we were so high on Jackson, why didn't we come up with something better than Matt Joyce before 2009? We might not have guaranteed the playoffs, but it's hard to imagine we wouldn't have made it....then again, the chemistry was completely messed up with our team, hard to know what would have happened, we just know how he pitched as a Tiger.

QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Jul 30, 2010 -> 12:26 PM) Which is why he'll be gone in the next trade. A bat is coming it will be a very good one. I don't think KW is ready to trade Viciedo or Mitchell, no matter how desperate things get with Dunn.

QUOTE (soxfan3530 @ Jul 30, 2010 -> 12:25 PM) If we somehow do get Dunn, Alexei-Rios-Konerko-Dunn-CQ is suddenly a pretty scary lineup to get through. Beckham and Viciedo lurking at the bottom can be dangerous as well...

QUOTE (WCSox @ Jul 30, 2010 -> 12:20 PM) This trade suggests two things: (1) The Sox weren't nearly as high on Hudson as they'd led us to believe (or believe that his mechanics make him injury-prone). (2) Kenny subscribes to the school of thought that making a deal at the deadline (even if it doesn't really help the team much) has a positive psychological impact on the team. (I imagine that the Griffey trade of two years ago would fall into this category as well.) 3) We have more money to play around with this year and next than previously thought 4) KW is planning on trading someone completely unexpected to create salary space (Danks/Floyd/Buehrle) 5) Our chances to win the next two seasons are better with Jackson 6) Cooper likes Jackson more than Hudson 7) There is some concern about Peavy coming back 100% in 2011 and being ready from April 1st

That doesn't mean that the Nationals might not be looking at Flowers at 1B already...anticipating him coming off catcher.

QUOTE (soxfan3530 @ Jul 30, 2010 -> 12:16 PM) Uhhhh? Replying to someone who said they'd trade our entire farm system for Dunn. My reply was that I wouldn't even trade BOTH of those players together in the three combinations/permutations.

He let go of Jaime Torres...that was his original agent, yes.

I also wouldn't give up Mitchell and Viciedo, Mitchell and Flowers or Flowers and Mitchell EITHER.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 30, 2010 -> 12:02 PM) The Sox are not getting money back for Peavy's insurance or from last year's trade!! Why would they tell anyone if they were? How would it be to their advantage competitively?

Has anyone ever thought that MAYBE JUST MAYBE the White Sox are getting some money back for Peavy already this season, they just don't want anyone to know about it? It would be to their advantage to keep that kind of thing quiet. Why would JR hold back in signing Damon just to turn around and spend quite a bit on 2 months of Jackson if they weren't in a decent financial position? And you'd have to think SOME money would be coming back from the DBacks if we're giving them 2 prospects.

Jackson isn't a great move. If he stays, it does give us a MUCH better chance at reaching the post-season, and it adds one more pitcher in depth that could actually start a playoff game...as great as Freddy has been, I'm assuming nobody wants him starting Game 4 in NY or Tampa Bay.

Let's bring up another name. Daniel Cortes, or we can add Tyler Lumsden in for good measure. I remember when he was supposed to be around a Top 45-55 prospect in all of MILB. Hudson never came close to that level with most talent evaluators, let's be honest. I think because he was our lone bright spot among the upper tier starters, he became annointed as the payroll savior for 2011, but if he came up with that class in the late 90's (Jon Garland, Kip Wells, Ginter, Fogg, Barcelo, Buehrle, Rauch, Danny Wright, Jason Stumm) he would be the equivalent of Kevin Beirne or Aaron Myette. KW knows what he's doing in terms of pitching talent USUALLY. He's had his misses with the likes of Felix Diaz and Jon Adkins, but those were not made in the heat of a pennant race to compete, they were prospect returns on Lofton and Durham (thinking there would be no more draft picks coming back).

Well, I'm not surprised that the White Sox are throwing in the towel on Hudson. The only question is what becomes of Jackson, and who replaces him in the rotation...there has to be one of those Lilly/4th/5th starter types out on the market that KW already has put together a deal for to replace another starter. And Ozzie has always preferred veterans down the stretch in pennant drives (with Brandon McCarthy being one of the few exceptions). I think he'd prefer Paul Byrd to Hudson.

And if KW stayed with Hudson all the way through August and September and he fell apart and the White Sox were knocked out of the playoffs...quite a few would be second-guessing KW. I'll say this much, if the White Sox believed that Hudson was even close to as good as Brandon McCarthy in late 2005, they never would have made this trade, because the budget concerns just got more pronounced for 2011. That or the insurance policy on Peavy is already paying for this year (despite the rumors) and there's a tremendous amount of uncertainty from the medical staff and doctors about Jake's ultimate fitness for next season.

QUOTE (docsox24 @ Jul 30, 2010 -> 11:13 AM) there is none Hudson has control issues, and has never pitched in a pennant race. Jackson's best career year was the in AL Central, and he knows most of the teams and personnel already. The only White Sox starters (prospects) to amount to anything recently have been Richard and Gio Gonzalez, and that's going back 10 years. Proven veteran >>> Rookie pitcher in the heat of his first pennant race Finally, if Cooper didn't think he could work more with Jackson than Hudson, he undoubtedly would have told KW to forget it.

Well, here we go again with the Cooper Will Fix Him posts. I guess we'll just have to wait and see what we're left with on Saturday afternoon.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jul 30, 2010 -> 10:32 AM) I think if we got Edwin, we'd get him knowing he's been better than his numbers indicate this year and doing it in a supreme hitters haven (much like the cell) and with the intent that we could spin him in the off-season for other parts or with an off-season with coop get him to live up to his potential. What have been the velocity readings on Jackson since the no-hitter? Has he sustained a loss since going almost 150 pitches in that outing?

Well, they'd really have to hope that Quentin would respond well to being the DH unless they planned to play Carlos at 1B? I'd love to have Choo, but they would have to settle the military service issue, and Westbrook's got a big contract...I would be leery about giving them our entire farm system, although Choo's arguably a better (and much cheaper) player than Ichiro right now, IMO.

QUOTE (justBLAZE @ Jul 30, 2010 -> 10:28 AM) That says it all. But didn't or hasn't he said the same thing about Gavin Floyd before the 2008 season on a number of occasions, Law that is? If Cooper really thinks they can fix someone and do it quite quickly, then I wouldn't be surprised if they went after Jackson hard...although they had a much better chance to get him if they wanted before the 2009 season IMO. Back then, it only cost the Tigers Matt Joyce.