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QUOTE (SoxAce @ Jan 13, 2009 -> 11:35 PM) Even though the Taveras signing was a bit pukeable, the Reds will surprise alot of people this season, assuming Dusty doesn't f*** the kids' arms off. If they get Abreu, their young hitters play as well as they are capable/projected and the starting pitching holds up, they could definitely threaten for the Wild Card. But lots of things have to fall into place and break the right way for this to transpire.

Nobody really has a clue who will win the AL Central at this point. Cleveland has improved on paper the most, but Hafner and their bullpen (overall) are still question marks, as well as the defense of Peralta and DeRosa on that infield. Minnesota, as usual, has basically stood still, after making some interesting moves last offseason (the Young for Garza/Bartlett trade). Detroit, seemingly, MIGHT improve with that offense and if the pitching (both starting and bullpen) comes around. The Edwin Jackson move could turn out great, but going with Everett at SS on the cheap? Then there's Sheffield and Willis, Ordonez/Guillen/Polanco possibly aging a bit...whether Bonderman will come back at something close to his "prime" and whether Robertson will be out of baseball at the rate he's going. KC has made some really, really strange signings and wasted $10-12 million in the eyes of most, but if someone like Hochevar or Cortes really picks it up at the back of the rotation, to go with Meche, Greinke, Bannister and Davies/Duckworth, they might be at least an 85 win team. It's still very hard for me to believe they will be a high 80 win team.

I think you mean DEFECTS, lol. Although both Marti and Perez ALSO signing with the White Sox at this point in the offseason would certainly DEFLECT a little attention from KW's impending season of "truth or dare" with the fans. The thing with Perez is he's very raw and "toolsy," which could mean Julio Ramirez or a solid big leaguer, hard to tell at this point. But I don't think very many scouts would project him as making an immediate contribution to the White Sox. A better comparison would be with Jordan Danks...in terms of timetable, and upside. It's hard to compare the two at this point, and Danks certainly projects to have more power. I just think that Torres was asking for too much, or maybe teams were scared off by investing $2-3 million in a player, developing him (like the Sox MIGHT do with Viciedo), then see his prime production years take place with another team. Just a theory. Cubano said that it was also likely a visa/immigration issue...could be a combination of both. But we do know that Perez didn't sign at the time of the Viciedo tryout camp when supposedly 5-10 teams were pretty interested in him.

The latest rumor was Mike Cameron for Swisher. Does that sound better than what we got in return? He's a CFer, but would anyone really be happy with Mike Cameron as a return? I'm sure a few would, plus there's the sentimental idea of bringing him back 10 years later, but...he's not an option for leadoff hitter either, which is one of the biggest "issues" hanging over the team at this point.

http://www.replacementlevel.com/index.php/...ected_standings Things to keep in mind... 1) It's from a Yankees' blog, so there's lots of NYC/Boston bias built in...although the numbers supposedly come from Hardball Times. 2) Almost 3 90 win teams in the AL East...although this has happened a couple of times recently (06 Central, 02 AL West) 3) The White Sox are far from finished...we hope...in setting their roster 4) Projections for young Sox players are very difficult to make (well, just being optimistic!) 5) The A's over the Angels, and nobody finishing over .500 in the AL West? 6) SF Giants to go on a tear, well, maybe...with Manny Ramirez and dumping Zito/Rowand somehow From what I've read, the Vegas line for the White Sox is somewhere around 80-82 wins. I wonder where BP will come in this year? If they predict 72 wins again, everyone will freak out, because that was the exact correct prediction in 2007. Of course, they were very wrong last year and in 2005...as well as 2004, for example. This is kind of like the Sox "doomsday" scenario...but pretty unlikely: 1) 2/4 (Konerko/AJ/Thome/Dye) get injured and miss significant portions of the season 2) One of Jenks/Dotel/Linebrink breaks down 3) Quentin is just an "average" major league LFer statistically and doesn't display MVP power or RBI numbers, or gets injured 4) Owens, Anderson, Fields and Getz/Lillibridge all prove not to be ready for full prime-time play 5) The back end of the rotation turns out to be the CR/AP pile that everyone's afraid of 6) KW decides to hold off on rushing Beckham, Viciedo, Flowers and Poreda into the mix...waiting for 2010. 7) The middle infield defense falls apart...and Fields commits 25+ errors...all bad signs for a team without many strikeout pitchers 8) Danks and/or Floyd regress or have to be sidelined 9) Alexei Ramirez has a sophomore slump offensively and ends up with a 290 OBP and 675 OPS. 10) Getz, Lillibridge and Ramirez are all tried at leadoff, with each of them ending up freaking out like Swisher trying to deal with it...after Owens gets hurt in ST

Or we can have a nice promotional tie-in with the rapper 50 Cent, aka Curtis Jackson. Or maybe we can convince him to change his name to "75 Cents on the Dollar" for this season...plus, as an added bonus, he's usually sporting a White Sox hat anyway.

Well, You Guys Didn't Believe in Carlos, Alexei, Danksy and Gavin...Look What They Did!!!! Great...lovely. To hear KW talk, with Marquez' arsenal replete with multiple "plus" pitches, you wonder how he ever possibly put up that 4.69 ERA last year...yet nobody addressed what happened with his career trajectory last year and why he regressed so far as a prospect with the Yankees in one season (from a Top Ten...8-10 guy...to 21, or something like that, before the trade). Well, the other marketing idea... These Guys Looked REALLY REALLY Good in the Arizona Fall League (KW was so impressed, he traded for them...cue 80's music, like the commercials about electric shavers from the past, he even bought the company)!!! They could put Floyd, Marquez, Cole Armstrong, Flowers, Beckham and Jon/Jordan Danks on the cover, lol.

QUOTE (Thunderbolt @ Jan 13, 2009 -> 11:26 AM) The Mets'll need to sign Wolf or Perez to play a decent form of catch-up. Phillies still have the top staff in the division, but there's a decent disparity between Lowe Vasquez Jurrjens Kawakami Hanson/Reyes/Morton/ETC And Santana Maine Pelfrey Redding Whomever From what I've read Jorge Campillo is the current favorite for 5th starter, with all those prospects in their system as insurance in case they have a breakthrough in ST. There's the possibility, like with Contreras or Jake Westbrook, that Hudson comes back in July/Aug/September to give them further depth.

We signed Greg A Harris or Greg W Harris? Which one was the ambidextrous dude?

Eider Torres played extremely well in Winter Ball and has a very, very outside chance (5-10%) to make the team as the final bench player (if they decide that Lillibridge should be playing SS or Getz 2B everyday at Charlotte)... German used to be a top prospect and have a devastating fastball, but those days are long gone. Corky Miller and Chris Stewart will fight it out to be the back-up catcher, unless Cole Armstrong is incredibly impressive and they decide he wouldn't be better off playing everyday in the minors (see above). Van Benschoten everyone in baseball is very familiar with his career trajectory...

Derek Lowe, $60 million for four years with the Braves, who've also added the Japanese veteran and Vazquez this off-season. So much for Lowe getting "ONLY" $42 million for 3 years. But somehow Dunn thinks he's getting $56 million for 4 years....with only 2-3 even interested in him a this point? Good lucky there, buddy. Kawakami for $24 million to the Braves. Craig Monroe signs a minor league deal. (Remember when he destroyed the White Sox through the '06 season?) Guillermo Mota returns to the Dodgers. Alex Cora to the Mets Prior and Chris Burke to the Padres (there was a day that would have raised some excitement in baseball circles...even two years ago) DAMMIT KW!!!! How could you let him get away!?! Russ Ortiz to the Astros.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 13, 2009 -> 08:14 AM) I would LOVE to see a source on that one... Anyways a couple of thoughts. I saw Chone made just under $5 million last year, but it doesn't look like he is signed for 09. What kind of salary is he looking at for 2009? If we are talking about something around that same $5 to $6 million he made before, I really could see a one for one deal happening (maybe stray minor leaguers of the 3rd tier, high ceiling, low achievement kind mixed in). If he ends up closer to the $10 million that lead off hitters like Juan Pierre and Gary Mathews Jr have gotten in recent years, I imagine we would either have to work out something where Anaheim either takes some salary from us (like maybe Mike Mac) or gives us cash back in the deal, so we can make the rumored Abreu deal. Chone Figgins is one of those Super 2 guys that will be a Free Agent after the 2009 season. I would guess he would get something in the vicinity of $6-7 million next season, just a guess. I'm assuming this year's contract will have to go to arbitration....as he had been working on a three year contract that extended through 2008. http://www.halosheaven.com/2008/6/22/55670...ns-angels-lifer

QUOTE (knightni @ Jan 11, 2009 -> 05:07 AM) They're promoting it as the Sox - who went wire to wire, winning 99 games and blew through the playoffs - are the underdogs to the "powerful" Astros - who just happened to barely win the wild card with 89 games. HOU - .256 161 HR 654 RBI CWS - .262 200 HR 713 RBI yeah... Are mods allowed to have...what the heck is that, the Wonder Girls from Korea (???) animations in their profiles? What is the world coming to? Speaking of "Sox Pride," is there a Girls of Sox Pride calendar coming soon? Wow...I'm not sure what that girl is (maybe Asian) but she's a candidate to be the next "Kissing Bandit."

Are you sure you haven't been using some of LaMarr's cocaine, lol? In the last couple of days, we've had Uribe and Dye sex stories. What a strange off-season. I don't know, I wouldn't be surprised by anything about professional athletes, we've all heard the stories about Alex Rodriguez and his many Scores babes...most players have groupies in every city. Just the first time I heard something like that about JD. Working for two years around a minor league team, I guess "Hooters" was more of a normal "manly" environment for the players, writers, umpires and coaching staff than strip joints, although I'm sure there was a little of that, too. By the way. Jon Danks was a first-round draft choice as was Garland, and Freddy Garcia was one of the most highly-sought pitchers in the game when he was pitching for the Astros at the beginning of his career. None of those guys were "made" by AJ, not at all. Garland was with the White Sox for five seasons b4 AJ even arrived on the scene. Danks' success has more to do with Cooper and Buehrle than AJ...or maybe it's 50/50, to be charitable. Garcia's career had been on a downward slant ever since he was overworked the first 4-5 seasons of his career with M's, when he was one of the hardest throwing righties in the game...consistently 93-96 MPH on most days, sometimes a tick better.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jan 12, 2009 -> 10:48 PM) You mean like the 22-year old "bust" that is Homer Bailey? Alpha's got a point. Everybody b****es and moans yet can't come up with anything better. Everybody hates Jerry Owens. Fine. Chone Figgins? Nope. Not good enough. Willy Taveras when he was available? Nope. He can't hit HRs. He sucks. Bobby Abreu? Nope. His defense sucks. Not good enough. When will people realize that Grady Sizemore types ARE NOT AVAILABLE?! Either be content with Jerry Owens or find another damn team to root for. Of course, we're not getting Sizemore, Pujols, Hanley Ramirez...even Manny Ramirez. The point is that everyone believes the White Sox, based on their "large market" status, their defending the AL Central championship, their forcing the season ticket holders to "take it or leave it" with the remainders of their deposit money for 2008 playoff tickets...at a time when many of the playoff teams were either keeping prices steady or actually lowering some (like the Rays)...all that adds up to concern and fear of a repeat of 2007. There's the sense we were lucky or fortunate to make the playoffs in 2008 and that our current team is closer to the 2007 version than the 2005/06/08 ones. Trading Konerko for Figgins makes a LOT more sense than trading Dye for Figgins. It would be much easier to replace Konerko than Dye on our team, as currently constituted...or going out into the FA market. That way, there would be a more even balancing of risk for both the White Sox and Angels, who, as one of the truly few large market teams, could take more of a risk than 80-85% of the teams out there on Paulie's deal. Frankly, I don't want them to trade either Konerko or Dye for Figgins, simply because I think there are better options out there...and yes, I would rather have tried to sign Taveras, but once, again, I would have stopped before getting into the $5-6 million range and 2 years. Whether KW was ever part of the negotiations, we might never know. We do know that he believes either Owens or Lillibridge or Getz would be better options for close to the league minimum. Yes, Taveras would arguably be better than those three, but not when you add current economic realities into the equation.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jan 12, 2009 -> 07:25 PM) If you save that money, you're more likely looking at guys like Odalis Perez. The Sox won't sign Sheets, Lowe, or Perez, and Dunn makes no sense for the Sox. I saw a discussion thread somewhere that was pretty convincing...that actually was arguing that Odalis Perez was better last season than Oliver Perez. Yet Oliver Perez will get $8-10 million from the Mets and Odalis MIGHT sign a Redding-like deal somewhere before ST.

I wouldn't put Wolf in that group with the likes of Pedro and Freddy Garcia. Wolf will probably end up in the $6-9 million range coming off the way he pitched in the second half last year. No thanks at that price, at least from the White Sox perspective. If Lowe goes to the Braves, that basically forces Oliver Perez (not too many teams are interested in giving him $10 million+) back to the Mets. That basically leaves Garland, Wolf and Pettitte, along with Sheets, as the closest things to "sure bets" of what's left out there on the market pitching-wise. By the way, jimmywins, an outfield of Figgins and Anderson doesn't thrill me very much. Although stranger things have happened, it wouldn't be one of the most likely combinations I would envisage at this point in the offseason, will all the bargains still out there.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 12, 2009 -> 11:55 AM) My opinion on virtually everyone out there right now is this. We keep hearing we're bumping right up against the budget, or perhaps even are already over budget given the sudden constraints imposed by the economic collapse. If that is the case, then if we are going to spend any additional money, given our current roster, it makes more sense to spend those scraps of money trying to add a cheap starting pitcher, perhaps coming off of an injury (i.e. Garcia-level) to potentially eat up some innings in our rotation than it does to try to scrape together the funds to sign or trade for an expensive player to fill any position. On the other hand, if we can clear some salary, i.e. by moving a guy like Konerko or Dye, and in the process get back additional pitching or money or both, then we ought to be all for this kind of move. But adding in anyone right now other than help for the rotation, if we're at our budget, isn't the best way to go. Over at WSI, there's an interesting debate going on about season ticket holders being held hostage...and the predicted dip in revenues for many MLB organizations. Right now, we're supposedly heading towards a $96 million payroll. I haven't seen the latest update...I think you have to take off $7-8 million for Thome, but then you give that all back and more for adding Viciedo (cancelling Swisher) and Jenks' increase in arbitration to around $5 million. Concessions are definitely likely to decline (apparently, they missed their targets already in '08)...that's one area that will really be pinched, as more and more families "brown bag" or eat on the way to the game at local fast food places. Then you have the luxury suites being pinched a little (or a lot), with corporations cutting back wherever they can, especially sports marketing. Families certainly won't be spending as much of their discretionary income on souvenirs, jerseys, hats, etc. Possible declining ad rates and revenues from WGN and/or cable. Less in parking money. The fact is that we've lost about 500,000 in attendance from '06 through '08, and there's a huge fear about walk-up being decreased. We know that the White Sox never seem to draw well in April and May...it's something of a "perfect storm" that we are heading into by heading into the season with the team as constructed. It's a huge risk for KW...maybe his biggest bet yet. It wouldn't have been possible had we missed the playoffs last year, fwiw. It's all predicated on getting results from Flowers, Viciedo, Beckham and Poreda (3 of the 4), along with maybe Allen and Richard. Can we stay competitive for the first 2-3 months of the season without going into 2007's tailspin? Can the older "foundation" players like Konerko, Dye, Thome and AJ stay healthy one more season? KW has a couple of things on his side. Detroit really is no position to fight back in terms of adding talent or payroll. They're already overextended, and have huge messes on their hands with Sheffield and Willis. We can thank our lucky stars they shed Maybin and Jurrgens, and maybe Andrew Miller will become a pitcher someday. But they still have Porcello lurking as a threat. And the Edwin Jackson move looks pretty smart. With the other teams, Minnesota and KC are not improved. Arguably, the Indians are the most improved, with Wood and DeRosa, and who knows what they'll get out of Pavano. But still a number of question marks, just like we have, particularly Travis Hafner. Their OF depth has been hit, too. I think they made a mistake in dealing Franklin Gutierrez. Choo is good as a platoon player. So you have "Midwestern" franchises already feeling the hard hit of the economy, particularly DET. The White Sox have the competitive advantage there and can wait back/lurk and do what the Red Sox have been doing recently....adding players like Kotsay, Baldelli, Smoltz, Saito and Penny. All more or less "high reward/low risk" signings with their payroll. The White Sox can do the same thing, with maybe 2-3 veterans like that, particularly a pitcher or two. In the meantime, KW has to determine.... 1) Whether Alexei can play SS 2) Whether Fields can play 3B 3) Who can play 2B (Getz or Lillibridge, maybe Nix)? 4) Where is the best destination for Beckham and Viciedo 5) Whether Anderson or Owens can give us anything and/or bring us something back in return 6) What we actually have in Marquez, Richard, Poreda, Egbert, DJ Carasco, etc. KW has 2-3 months to hold the ship together with duct tape and baling wire...and hopefully not end up like the Indians last year or Sox in 2007, so far out of the race that there's no recovery...declining walk-up attendance..."death watch" articles on trading Thome, Dye, Konerko, AJ and Buerhle (sound familiar to 07?)...and these Kids Can Play Ver. 3 or 4. Hopefully they can stay afloat and use their big market leverage to extract veteran pieces from other teams and/or making trades strategically with some of their spare parts in the minor league system, as they've done so well in the past (like the Quentin move, for example).

QUOTE (Jimmywins1 @ Jan 12, 2009 -> 06:23 PM) I'd do Figgins + a pitcher for Dye, he obviously doesn't have a ton of value, and Figgins would fill more of a team need than Dye. The problem is that they're not going to give us Saunders, Santana or Weaver AND Figgins for Dye. They're not even going to give us Adenhart and Figgins for Dye. Why would they do so, if they could go out and sign Bob Abreu for 2 years and $20 million? They would solve their problems for two years instead of one (unlike with Dye, who could walk after 2009, as Garland has done), and they wouldn't have to give up two key members of their depth chart. How does Figgins fill more of a team need than Dye? Playing at USCF, speed is less important than power. Yes, we need a leadoff man, but not at the cost of Dye...and the thing everyone's forgetting about is, yeah, he's versatile. But he's not GOOD versatile, his defense is borderline atrocious no matter where you put him. The only place the White Sox SHOULD play him would be CF, but that's iffy at best. Imagine Figgins at 3B, Ramirez at SS and Getz/Lillibridge at 2B. That's a pretty scary infield, although Getz/Lillibridge should be okay at 2B, and we don't know exactly what will happen with Alexei over a full season, just assumptions. If Beckham's a 3B, then Figgins has to displace Getz/Lillibridge or play CF. However, do you really want Figgins/Ramirez as your DP combination? Then there's the whole issue of age, injuries and declining base stealing ability. Figgins has never been a power hitter, or close to it, so having Figgins in the line-up forces you to get even more production from other positions. Who's going to make up for that lack of power in the middle of the line-up? The other main concern is that players like Fields, Owens and Anderson aren't worth much at all to other organizations...there's a good chance that one of those three could turn out to be a player, and they alone might be enough to get a player like Figgins (particularly Fields) somewhere down the line...or Getz/Lillibridge, for example. But they won't establish that value in trade unless KW gives them a chance to prove what they can do at the major league level first. If they could get a legit 4-5 starter (with the payroll decrease and/or trade) and have Figgins, it would make a lot more sense. But nothing has shown that KW is willing to spend money even on a Braden Looper at this point. It's not like any of us are holding out hope for Sheets, Pettitte, Garland, Perez, Wolf, Lowe, etc.

The most recent guess on Abreu is 2 years and $20 million...a bit more than Burrell, who will be a full-time DH in TB unless Crawford is injured yet again.

On one of the message boards, they have Abreu going to the Reds. I guess that makes sense, in that he would cost less than Dye, and they could also now affordably sign him to a 2 year deal....who knows, though? Some have Dunn and Hudson (who we've heard very little about all offseason) going to Washington. Then there's some idiot who is convinced KW is going to bring back Ray Durham about 5 years past his "sell by" date to start at 2B for us.

Yes, but you're extending that contract until age 38 or 39 when he's already shown signs of decline over the last three years...which is perfectly normal in the newly-discovered reality baseball world where players peak between 27-30 and decline in their 30's.

First, he will cost the White Sox $16-20 million over 2 years, a little less than we're paying JD for this season. Second, he could play CF only if the competition for that position was Brian Daubach, Rob Mackowiak and Rob Deer with his legs tied together with Greedy in the three-legged sack race. Third, someone else (Dye, Konerko) would have to go probably to make way for his salary. Fourth, he's declining in production and is far from a power hitter...so you're paying for his OBP, hitting from the LH side and pretty decent speed. Pat Burrell, so far, is one of the best relative values in the market today. If the White Sox could get Abreu for $16-18 million and two years, that would be very similar, because just as the Rays needed RH power desperately, and White Sox need a LH, high OBP hitter with above average speed. Unfortunately, his days as an above average defender are well behind him now.

http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2009/01/11...t-and-the-dunn/ Blog on the tastes of some fans for "grindy" Bloomquist types and others favoring high OBP/predictable stat machines like Dunn or JD Drew. I think this article is a good mirror into the psyche of many posters here. Of course, our biggest rival is the Twins, the grinder's club if there was one (although becoming less and less)...and we've been the opposite for most of this decade offensively.

Thank God we don't have to face Sabathia so much every year. I think we've only beaten him once in his career or something crazy like that. Every time Buehrle was slated to face him head-to-head, a loss was almost a near certainty. I know one game CC was knocked out very early or injured, can't remember off the top of my head the exact circumstances. The Tigers are a lot different without Kenny Rogers, Willis and Bonderman...even if you add in Edwin Jackson, who I forgot to mention in my last post. However, if Willis ever gets it back together completely (not likely at this point, at least not in the AL), they would be extremely dangerous with that offense, as long as it remains relatively healthy. You just wonder if Leyland might not jump ship again if he feels 2009 is starting out like 2008 left off?