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QUOTE(BigSqwert @ May 9, 2007 -> 07:47 PM) Prediction: We will only score 4 runs tonight. Definitely looks like it...we haven't had many "easy" wins this year. Of course, that's the way it was in 2005 too. Except you knew a one-run lead was money then.

QUOTE(fathom @ May 9, 2007 -> 07:42 PM) Nice job by Danks throwing strikes there. Anyone else notice how much strong Ozuna's arm is than Iguchi's? That's why he came up as a SS through the Cardinals system. Last year, we were at 23-9 with a 3.5 game lead over DET. OUCH.

QUOTE(danman31 @ May 9, 2007 -> 07:37 PM) No it doesn't, it was a single. He advanced to 2nd on the throw. Hmmm...thought it was close enough to give him a double. I guess Tyner was shading him down the line, same as Erstad in the first.

QUOTE(shawnhillegas @ May 9, 2007 -> 07:34 PM) lets trade casey rogowski for jarrod salt my cockia That .140 average in Charlotte might not even get us Don Wakamatsu in return.

QUOTE(shawnhillegas @ May 9, 2007 -> 07:32 PM) oh my god, i just turned the game on. sweeney is starting to hit, huh? Well, it looks like a line double to the gap in the box score, lol. Actually, his swing and approach are fine...just got busted in on and broke his bat, but he's a pretty strong young kid. This is a huge inning for Young Mr. Danks. Would really help his confidence to get through this inning without giving up a run.

QUOTE(SoxAce @ May 9, 2007 -> 07:26 PM) Who is in LF for the Twins? That was a Scott Podsednik-like throw right there. Probably Tyner.

QUOTE(WilliamTell @ May 9, 2007 -> 07:25 PM) my friend once talked to Sweeney and my friend's friend when to high school with Sweeney, yeah I'm special. I hung up on Tom Landry and rode in a car to a NY Giants game with Jordin Sparks. And I stayed in a Holiday Inn Express last night.

QUOTE(ChWRoCk2 @ May 9, 2007 -> 07:25 PM) Sweeney you are awesome The 02-04 Twins would have cut that ball off and thrown Sweeney out at 2B.

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ May 9, 2007 -> 07:23 PM) The Lou Brown method. 30 pushups for every popup. While on the field. Run it out, then 30 pushups before you're allowed back in the dugout. I'd love to trade Willie Mays Hayes for Pods about right now.

QUOTE(WilliamTell @ May 9, 2007 -> 07:20 PM) hmmm......... From now on, every pitch in batting practice should be low and away. They should be fined $1000 for every ball they pull on the ground instead of hitting it to the opposite field.

QUOTE(SoxAce @ May 9, 2007 -> 07:17 PM) He's the poor, poors little man of Jim Thome. And they walked him.. They were setting up the double play!!

QUOTE(WilliamTell @ May 9, 2007 -> 07:12 PM) Good way to start. Hopefully Sweeney really learns something from being around Erstad for some time this year.

QUOTE(South Side Fireworks Man @ May 9, 2007 -> 06:57 PM) I'd hate to be in a foxhole with some of these guys. How can a rational person go into a season supposedly with high hopes and then panic after the team plays .500 a month into the season??? The mark of a good team (and a good manager BTW) is how they weather the rough times that come to every team in almost every season. If these people think there is no way the Sox can overcome a .500 start with none of their hitters hitting and four and a half months to go they are just showing they have no understanding of a Major League Baseball season. And one more thing about having a "Fire Sale." If the Sox continue to fall behind while guys like Dye, Iguchi, Crede, etc. are hitting and playing well, then it may make sense to white flag it and get a good return on some of these guys while their value is high. But as for now, trying to sell off guys who are batting .200 will get you nothing and it makes no sense when the team is playing .500 ball even while they are not producing. Since the Sox have played .500 ball during a tough stretch of their schedule while their key guys are either injured or batting around .200, wouldn't anybody here want to see what they will do when these guys start hitting at their career norms before clamoring for a fire sale??? Nobody's clamoring for a fire sale...I'm just saying that it's likely to happen if we don't show some positive signs of breaking out of this, and soon. Of course, Thome and Hall will help our offense. And I wasn't optimistic about this season like I was last year. We all expected the playoffs coming into '06, I'm not sure anyone could confidently predict we'd get there this year based on our offseason moves and with a rookie 5th starter and aging Contreras. Games like last night set the tone for the entire season....we will get up off the mat or we will lie down and get swept? I think we all want to be patient, as long as it's feasible. But I think most posters here would like to see KW have a CLEAR direction to go in as June and July are upon us...as doing nothing and standing pat won't help us at all for next year, unless we're expecting Gio and Russell to be starters next year and still be able to contend. Did Sox fans who realized we were dead in the water in August of last year WANT the Sox to lose? Or for Guillen to be fired? I hope not...it was just a sense that something was seriously missing, chemistry, fire, drive...was anyone surprised the last two months of 2006 and the first two months of 2007? If you've followed the White Sox, you've seen it coming. We're getting old and it's catching up with Iguchi, Dye, Pods, Thome and Contreras in particular. Nothing can be done about it, besides transitioning to a younger, more athletic team, as quickly as possible...while hopefully still being a contender simultaneously.

QUOTE(southsideirish @ May 9, 2007 -> 05:23 PM) You are completely right on all accounts. 2nd, 3rd, and 5 year coaches = new. Clearly that is correct. Old coaching staffs do not lead to winning, exactly, I don't know what I was thinking. How could I even begin to debate these ideas. I was completely wrong in my way of thinking. How could I possibly have a different opinion than yours? For those 50% of you trying to fire Ozzie today, who exactly do you want? Let me guess, the anti-Ozzie, so that means Joe Girardi, right? Someone who will bring "law and order" back to the Sox clubhouse...because that style works so well with the likes of AJ, Crede, Buehrle and Rowand? Girardi is fine with a young team, just like Manuel was...but for a veteran team? If we're going to rebuild completely, I wouldn't be totally against it. But I would rather start over with the Twins' scouts and Ozzie as manager than with the Sox scouts and Gardenhire as manager.

QUOTE(fathom @ May 9, 2007 -> 09:17 AM) Managing, as well. Even though it didn't work out for them, I loved how Gardenhire got Ozzie to bring in Aardsma so that he could have Kubel bat (a much more dangerous hitter than Rabe). I can't remember the last time Ozzie used his bench like that in order to get a favorable match-up at the plate. Of course, it would help if we had a single dangerous hitter off our bench. We've gone from one of the best AL benches to the worst.

QUOTE(NorthSideSox72 @ May 9, 2007 -> 09:15 AM) Donny Lucy has thrown out 10 of the last 14 would-be base stealers against him, and picked one off as well. AJ was 2 for 14 coming into yesterday...without the help of Big Game Freddy Garcia.

QUOTE(StrangeSox @ May 9, 2007 -> 09:05 AM) And the Sox WILL be in 4th place if they keep up this level of horses*** play and managing. The irony is that Morneau has been really struggling this year driving in RISP. Of course, leave it to the White Sox to break him out of that slump. Apparently, he wants to beat the White Sox more than we want to beat him. Where has the fire gone with this team? The Twins always seem to have that little "edge" or motivation in our head-to-head match-ups.

QUOTE(fathom @ May 9, 2007 -> 09:03 AM) It was one inning aided in large part by a terrible throwing error. Yes, AJP, Iguchi, and Crede all finally put on nice contact swings. Besides that one inning though, the offense was atrocious. I agree with you though, compared to other games this season, that inning was an offensive explosion. Not to mention that we really played like crap those two games and got out of there 2-0 when we should have split or gone 0-2. Our record pretty accurately reflects where we are, though. Capable of being a great bullpen, but results in the bottom 25% of MLB pens. A team that has won 8 of 9 games on the road by coming from behind (despite the offense), yet inconsistent. A team that can knock out Street, Duscherer, Shields and K-Rod but struggle to close out the Twins, no matter who you put in that uniform against the Sox.

QUOTE(fathom @ May 9, 2007 -> 08:57 AM) Well, Garcia is at the 90 mph mark right now, so he made a gross error in judgement if he didn't think Garcia would be healthy enough to pitch in the majors this year. When KW made the Garcia trade, he had no clue that the McCarthy trade would occur. He's even said as much. The simple point I'm making is that the Garcia trade, in regards to the people who we acquired, won't do s*** to help the team in 2007. I think the main argument was that Garcia = or

QUOTE(joeynach @ May 9, 2007 -> 08:50 AM) I actually think Frank was a better hitter against RHP than left. Something thats strange but I remember that sticking out for some reason. You can look up his splits on yahoo I think. Last three years. .239 versus lefties, .271 versus righties

QUOTE(NorthSideSox72 @ May 9, 2007 -> 08:14 AM) How anyone can blame this loss (primarily) on anyone other than MMac is beyond me. I'm sure some will blame Iguchi (from both sides of the field, offensively and defensively)... And Aardsma looked really shaky out there as well. Not sure that he's closer material. I know MacDougal isn't, not for the White Sox. It's just like Kip Wells in 2002 and 2003. He wouldn't have put up those same stats with the White Sox...MacDougal might have saved 21/24, but it was Doug Jones/Joe Borowski-esque. Always a high-wire act on the precipice of disaster, and many of those saves were 2-3 run leads where he would give up a run or two but still get the save.

QUOTE(witesoxfan @ May 9, 2007 -> 01:28 AM) What if he hits a homer? God I love Ozzie's logic. No, it's your fault for not f***ing walking Morneau. Iguchi and Crede didn't exactly help either. QUOTE(briguy27 @ May 9, 2007 -> 07:32 AM) going after joe girardi...brilliant It's amazing how fanbases always want the opposite of what they have... Jerry Manuel, asleep at the wheel, no emotions, Gandhi, passive. Ozzie...crazy, bad "game manager," too emotional, his methods will be tuned out by players, will have a run--in with the media and get fired Giradi...too boring, too many cliches, micro-manager, wants to control every aspect of the organization, huge ego KW will never hire Girardi, they couldn't co-exist. He's not a part of the "White Sox family" either. from chicagosports.com (so much for firing Walker!) "People want a reaction to a lack of performance in a certain area," Williams said. "But I'm not interested in that. We're interested in a stable franchise that allows us to compete on a yearly basis and to do that, you better keep your people around. That's the long answer. "The short answer is, I haven't even thought about it."

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ May 9, 2007 -> 07:34 AM) He could have very well believed that with Garcia struggling to hit the 85 mph mark, that we would be better with Gavin Floyd in the rotation. If you want to discount the McCarthy trade completely, you could also say Kenny thought we would be a better team with McCarthy in the rotation over Garcia. How is either one of those a lie? Its a subjective opinion that you don't agree with. Some are convinced we would have won with Rowand instead of Thome last year (HA, HA!!!) or that we should kept Thomas over Thome... And you'll never convince anyone otherwise, we're already set in our opinions...BA/Ozzie, BA/Erstad, Ozzie as a manager. It doesn't matter what the argument. Last year, it was "Dark Clouds" who felt the season was getting away in July and August and those who could never be convinced that 2006 was a different year. It reminds me of all those faithful who believed the tech stocks would return to their previous values, versus the people who took their losses but reallocated their money into investments that have done much better since 00-02 because they knew when to cut their losses. Ultimately, KW has to have a feel for this...7 1/2 to 9 games out in the first or second week of June and behind 3 teams, we have to be in a selling mode.

QUOTE(fathom @ May 9, 2007 -> 07:24 AM) Danks has nothing to do with the Garcia trade. The real issue here is that KW didn't do much of anything with the savings from Garcia deal...we just stayed status quo, and paid for the raises and salary increases in our payroll. Realistically, we need to shed the salaries of Mack and Cintron and open up those spots for younger players. Heck, I would rather they take that $5 million and buy off the Twins' Director of Scouting and half of his staff...than overpaying two bench players, one of who is potentially blocking Sweeney's progress. If he doesn't play and you go with Sweeney, you're wasting valuable payroll money that could be better allocated on a legitimate everyday starter, not a utility player.

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ May 9, 2007 -> 07:17 AM) Yeah, now these were the over-reaction type threads I had been missing! And how is our franchise better off because KW waited one year too long to do something? He has been too patient, and it's going to set back our being a competitive team again by 1-2 years because he was too wishy-washy and didn't commit enough to winning last year, when it was our best shot to get it done and we still had a reservoir of good will with our fanbase. Now he'll be preaching patience again, and he'll end up losing 25-33% of the season ticket base as a result...not quite as dramatic as Cleveland's fall in 2002-2003, as they had been selling out nearly every game. We'll be back to the "real" White Sox fans and lose the bandwagon, but we'll be back in the $75-90 million payroll range in all likelihood, which is fine if you're the Twins or A's...and worked ONCE for the White Sox, 2005. But almost EVERYTHING has to go right in that situation, every acquisition, no injuries, no FA busts.