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Williams on Stewart regarding his performance this year in AA and his future with the Sox:

QUOTE (sin city sox fan @ Jul 27, 2011 -> 02:02 PM) Is that a prerequisite to post on this board? No, but continuing to assert a Rios trade makes your potential alcoholism suspect.

Carlos can't play D. Nope. Not at all.

QUOTE (JoshPR @ Jul 27, 2011 -> 01:33 PM) What do you mean? That's what basicly happend The equivalent of what Toronto gave up from us would have looked something like this: Jackson + Sale + Thornton + Pierre The Jays sent over a young LHP with a 2.97 ERA / 1.09 WHIP this year... a veteran RHP with a 3.68 ERA / 1.09 WHIP this year... a starting veteran Center Fielder that is about equivalent to Juan Pierre... and Jackson. To start, we don't really match up there because we don't have anything that is equivalent to Dotel. Second, if we did that trade - our bullpen would be gutted. It was much more than just Jackson.

QUOTE (JoshPR @ Jul 27, 2011 -> 01:16 PM) LOL so basicly we get frasor for teabag and Jackson when we could have had Rasmus? Ohhh Kenny LOL! Wonder what the moron says now. Frasor ain't bad but Kenny went with the first trade, we could have held Jackson a lil longer and teams would have gotten desperate and gotten more.... Ohh the life of a sox fan.... Jackson for Rasmus? Not from what I've heard. Even if you do get Rasmus and trade Quentin - you're looking at an outfield of Viciedo - Rasmus - Rios. I don't think the Sox liked Rasmus because of his reported issues and because we have 4 outfields as it stands now. Rios sucking really bleeped us this year.

I don't mind this trade at all. You have to put Hudson / Holmburg behind you and look at it for what it really is at present day: Jackson + Teahen = Frasor + Stewart + ( potentially another arm from STL ) + DeAza / Viecedo - Rios. There's a lot to like there. 1.) Frasor will lighten the load on the pen and will allow our pen to throw more innings incase Peavy and Humber continue to get worn out after 5IP. 2.) Teahen is gone this year and in 2012 + we retain the cash 3.) Stewart has a good arm and may prove to be a good starter in 2012 4.) It allows us a roster spot for DeAza / Viecedo 5.) Rios gets benched 6.) It's rumored that we get another arm from the Cards What I don't like about the trade: 1.) Ozzie saying that he still wants to play Rios / that bringing up players is not a good way to motivate underperforming starters is asinine. There's a lot more to like than not here and I think it might actually make us better in 2011... if Ozzie could learn how to manage his starters and bullpen that is. That, right there... is a big IF. Good job bucket.

Suck on that Rios.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 26, 2011 -> 11:52 PM) So we'd be saving a little over a million for next year's payroll with this deal? Barf I'd much rather have 1M$ + Frasor + minor leaguer than -1M$ + Teahen + draft pick

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Jul 26, 2011 -> 08:18 PM) Sox can win the division regardless of what any other team does. They have the best staff in the division by far. If they had a semi-competent manager this race may not even be close. Its just pathetic what Ozzie is doing. 2011 white sox baseball - pathetic

Pathetic

Just missed it. Damn!

Let's see Ozzie pull out a, "win diss thang" - circa 2005. Excuse me while I go puke.

QUOTE (whitesoxfan101 @ Jul 26, 2011 -> 08:05 PM) We'll see if Valverde can finish it, I'd assume he'll pitch the 9th. Winner winner chicken dinner - I want some gravy tonight baby! Die tigers - bleeping die!!!!!!!

Expletive expletive bleeping bleep expletiving bleep bleep bleep!!!!!

Yes! Let's go PK!!!!!! Double time baby!!!!!

Please god... Walk him and get pulled zoolander Edit: does alexi even remember how to walk? Please please please

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Jul 26, 2011 -> 07:49 PM) Its just bad pitching. Hes ahead in the count with a base open. Betimet is not exactly the most patient hitter and is basically swinging at everything. No reason to throw him anything thats good. That was matt's issue the entire time he attempted to close for us. Yuck. Hopefully we can push two across with our last 5 outs. Mercy.

QUOTE (kapzk @ Jul 26, 2011 -> 07:43 PM) I hope they dont just IBB betemit just to get to Avila. Oops

New ballgame boys and girls. Let's go SOX!

Puzzling indeed.

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Jul 26, 2011 -> 05:50 PM) Maybe some one like Fields... Fields??

QUOTE (Paulstar @ Jul 25, 2011 -> 11:37 PM) 1.) He is a huge injury concern. 2.) He is beyond bi-polar with the bat. 3.) He isn't getting any younger or cheaper. 4.) His defense is suspect. 5.) We have a potentially (keyword!) better replacement waiting in the wings. Then again, you only do such a trade if you can get a really good young pitcher back in return. 1.) He hasn't been hurt all year and his recent injuries are behind him. Last year it was Plantar Fasciitis - that's gone now. In 2008 it was the broken wrist - I don't see Q punching any bats again. 2.) He's been just fine with the bat this year and last year. Look beyond the average. 3.) True 4.) His defense LAST YEAR was horrid - because of the Plantar Fascitis. This year, his D has been very good. 5.) If we weren't contending for the division and a playoff birth - sure, you bring up Dayan for him. So long as we're in contention - there's no need to bring in the rook for Q when he is much more of a sure thing. Those are my thoughts at least.

QUOTE (Paulstar @ Jul 25, 2011 -> 11:40 PM) I'm talking about someone like a Brandon Beachy. Beachy didn't look to hot in his start against the Reds. Well, I guess that he did feature 3 quality pitches and made some mistakes... he could get much better... I just personally don't know if I'd give up our second best hitter for him. If we're out of contention - sure... bring the beach on.

If they trade Dayan - it'd better be for a kings ransom. I've got enough confidence in KW to know that Viciedo will not be going anywhere unless it's for quite the haul.

Ask me again after the series against Boston is over.