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The Sox fall into the bottom 5 in the league with a loss and Astros win vs Reds. The Sox had the best record in the AL by 3.5 games 41 days ago.

QUOTE (pettie4sox @ Jun 19, 2016 -> 10:50 AM) Does Ventura get s*** canned if they get swept? Let's hope, but I'm at the point of not caring either way. We know he's done after this season. We know the Sox suck and won't contend. Monday or 15 Monday's from now. It doesn't matter unless they want to give Renteria a free look, so to speak.

Red Sox series: Gonzalez - Wright Sale - Buchholz Quintana - Rodriguez Shields - Porcello They'll split. I'm being nice.

https://twitter.com/ckamka/status/744548197457104896

Everything but Acceptance. I think the front office is in Isolation and Denial.

QUOTE (Tex @ Jun 19, 2016 -> 08:03 AM) He should get a pass for last night. That loss clearly is on the front office and the 5th starter they acquired. No manager was going to pull that one out of the loss pile. I think we're done micro-analyzing what is and what is not Ventura's fault. He's done either now or on October 2nd. If any of the 29 other teams want to tap into the brilliant baseball mind of Robin Ventura, they're going to have that chance.

We've seen Robin say things after games, and then plans change. Go ahead. Start him on Thursday afternoon at Fenway.

2 under .500 for the first time, believe it or not.

QUOTE (pettie4sox @ Jun 18, 2016 -> 08:13 PM) So when do you fire Ventura? I'm serious when? If Fathers Day is part of the equation, they may not be there to fire him. Maybe Monday in Boston, or Friday morning in Chicago.

Lost 25 of 35 4-13 vs Cle and KC

QUOTE (ronkark @ Jun 18, 2016 -> 07:58 PM) What the heck, I'll throw in something positive.. Love Ynoa's curveball. I give you credit for still watching.

I still can't lump Frazier with the Adams. And I don't think the NL/AL thing matters. The Sox just suck, and they bring out the suck in a lot of players. Anderson is next. Wait a month.

QUOTE (winninguglyin83 @ Jun 18, 2016 -> 07:26 PM) What did Collins do? K on a change up

Collins up

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Ryan Bukvich available? Omogrosso?

A 29th birthday Shuck will never forget.

QUOTE (chw42 @ Jun 18, 2016 -> 06:16 PM) The FO deserves to get fired. So does most of the team staff. Clean house. If they fired Kenny, Buddy, Rick, Haber, and the coaching staff, who would be there to hire the people to hire? It's not a good situation right now. Train wreck.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 18, 2016 -> 06:09 PM) Why doesn't MLB have the 10 run rule again? There should be an option to call it after 7. Save pen arms for the next day and not have to use position players, which is bad trend in baseball.

Ventura should pull the team off the field, forfeit, resign, and catch a plane to California. It's over. Not all of it is his fault, but it's over.

Ranaudo should start next time with Shields DLd to work on whatever- being a junk baller.

He would get to see his kids on Fathers Day. So that's something.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 18, 2016 -> 05:31 PM) KW was never this bad when he was GM. Hahn is great at contracts, but completely overmatched in every other aspect. He may have bad results, but Kenny is right there approving everything. And he sucked too past 2007. They both need to go, but it should start with Kenny.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 18, 2016 -> 05:26 PM) Hahn shouldn't be allowed to make another move. He's done enough damage to this org So you're positive this is all him and not his boss that he reports to? Nobody is harder on Hahn than you. And it's never lumping KW with him. Why is that?

Jerry Reinsdorf made this. Getting exactly what he deserves. Unfortunately the fans that care have to take it- or not.