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QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Apr 21, 2011 -> 10:18 AM) Teams do this all of the time. It's called buying low. It brought us guys like Jim Thome and Jose Contreras off of the top of my head. Big difference in buying low and taking a flyer on someone while paying them a couple of million, as opposed to the rediculous contracts KW assumed in Rios and Peavy. If neither of these two players perform KW needs to go.

QUOTE (Jenks Heat @ Oct 5, 2010 -> 09:58 AM) Whatever happened to Dan Evans? Remember him, he was Rick Hahn before Rick Hahn was cool. I like Hahn but do not think KW is giving up his job for him just yet. Dan Evans is now attempting to make it as a Player agent in Southern California. Its apparent the good agents want to be GMs and the poor GMs want to be good agents.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 2, 2010 -> 01:34 PM) Captain Cheeseburger's career ERA+ when the Yankees signed him at age 27 was 120, his career WHIP was 1.24. D1: the Pitching Danks's career ERA+ is 117. His Career WHIP is 1.29. And most importantly...his best years should still be ahead of him. His WHIP this season, for example, is 1.14. He would still do well to be awarded 7 million this year in arbitration and 11 million next year from the Sox...so let's just concentrate on 2 years at $18M.

QUOTE (daa84 @ Apr 12, 2010 -> 08:45 PM) you can find alex gonzalez on the next episode of pimp my foul ball I can't believe that Judy bat flipped a foul ball. AJ better be abusing him right now.

How is Alex Rios excluded?

QUOTE (Kalapse @ Oct 14, 2009 -> 07:24 PM) I never said anything about pre-arb negotiations, no idea where you got that. The Sox and Danks will never go to arbitration, they'll work out a 1 year or multi year deal before the deadline since the Sox do not go to arbitration with their players, that's what I'm talking about. I'm not worried about the process at arbitration hearings since it will not come to that. Playing for a horrible team doesn't account for the full run difference in ERA and near 30 point difference in ERA+. You can't just ignore the fact that John Danks has had 1 very bad year and 2 well above average seasons where as Bonderman had 3 mediocre seasons, there's a big difference in how they got to those 3 year cumulative statistics. Another point: Wandy Rodriguez; 4.79 ERA, 1.41 WHIP through his first 3 years of service, 30 years old gets $2.6M in his first year of arbitration. He submitted a figure of $3M. Justin Verlander; 4.11 ERA, 1.33 WHIP through his first 3 years of service, 26 years old gets $3.675M in his first year of arbitration. He submitted a figure of $4.15M John Lackey; 4.15 ERA, 1.37 WHIP through his first 3 years of service, 27 years old gets $3.76M in his first year of arbitration. Joe Blanton; 4.10 ERA (105 ERA+), 1.31 WHIP through his first 3 years of service, 27 years old gets $3.7M in his first year of arbitration. Scott Kazmir; 3.64 ERA, 1.39 WHIP through his first 3 years of service, 24 years old gets $3.785M in his first year of arbitration. Paul Maholm; 4.30 ERA, 1.41 WHP through his first 3 years of service, 27 years old submitted a figure of $3.8M before signing a multi-year deal. Got $2M in '09 and a $1.5M signing bonus. Also in 2004 the Sox gave a 24 year old Jon Garland $2.3M avoiding arbitration. He put up a 4.60 ERA and 1.459 WHIP over the first 3 years of his career. That was 6 years ago, same organization, substantially less accomplished starter and only a 5 month difference in age. Hell even Kyle Lohse won his case and got $2.4M with his s*** numbers. Just speaking hypothetically: if the Sox went to arbitration with Danks and submitted a figure of $2.4M and Danks submits $3.6M no doubt in my mind who wins that one. The problem I am having is that I view Danks' body of work in his first three years more comparable to Wandy ($2.6M) and Maholm ($2M) as opposed to the front-line starters you submitted: Verlander, Lackey, Kazmir. And Blanton, as unlikely as it sounds, was a workhouse with huge numbers accumulated prior to his fist platform year. As we won't be able to agree, lets agree to let CAA and KW sort it out. Good luck.

QUOTE (Kalapse @ Oct 14, 2009 -> 05:48 PM) You can take Lester's figure, that's what the agent will do when he goes to negotiate with the Sox before arbitration. He'll point out that Lester has been valued at $3.75M for his 4th year of service, doesn't matter if it's a 1 year deal or not. I'm wondering if you've actually seen Bonderman's numbers. In his first 3 years of service he put up an 87 ERA+ and 1.40 WHIP and his 3rd year of service was decidedly mediocre. Danks has a career 115 ERA+ and 1.33 WHIP and is coming off 2 outstanding seasons, I'm not seeing the comparison. Hell given that Danks vastly outperformed Bonderman over the first 3 years of their careers and we have 4 years of inflation to account for that $3.4M number is looking awfully good. Again, I am not talking about pre-arb negotiation. The question that started this whole thread concerned what Danks' number whould be at arbitration this year. During arbitration there is no discussion/comparison whatsoever concerning multi-year deals. The teams and owners submit as evidence one-year deals only. In the pre-arb process I am sure Jeff Berry and the boys at CAA will compare Danksy to Lester in an attempt to convince KW that Danksy should be paid similar to Lester. But again, once the parties enter arbitration there will be no discussion in front of the arbitrator about multi-year deals. During Bonderman's first year of arbitration (when he was decidedely younger than Danks) he had amassed 1 more career inning pitched and 4 more career k's than Danks. Bonderman had the exact same amount of wins as Danks, but a higher ERA and more losses (he played for a horrible Tiger team). All in all, I still think they are very comparable. And I still think if Danks signs a one-year deal or goes to arbitration his number will be in the 2.3M neighborhood.

QUOTE (Kalapse @ Oct 14, 2009 -> 03:05 PM) That was half a decade ago and Danks is significantly better than Bonderman, take a look at Jon Lester's deal, that's what Danks' agent will be doing. Same service time, similar production at a younger age (24 compared to 25). Thanks to the deal he signed in the offseason Lester will make $3.75M next year, Danks should be looking for ~$3.4M or so. Lester's deal was a multi-year deal. I was speaking in simply one-year terms to avoid arbitration. There is a big difference. In 2005 (when Bonderman was first-time arbitration eligible) his numbers are very similar to Danks at this point in his career. Now, not so much. Maybe my figures were a little undervalued, especially since it was 4 arbitration seasons ago, but you cannot take Leter's 3.4M figure because that was a mutli-year number.

Looking at past comparables (Bonderman '05 and Harang '05) it looks as if Danks arbitration number should be somewhere between $2m and 2.3m next year.

QUOTE (daa84 @ Jul 9, 2009 -> 12:45 PM) I have no problem with ozzie not starting richard the rest of the year...but after he gave up the slam...you gotta keep him in the game just for innings..... Bullpen will now be taxed going into the series at the Baggie in Minneapolis...thank God the All-Star break is four days away.

QUOTE (hogan873 @ Jul 2, 2009 -> 10:36 AM) Encouraging for sure. Obviously Danks hasn't gotten great run support. Thats ok...I hear he is scoring nicely with the Chevy Pride Crew.

QUOTE (Heads22 @ Jun 11, 2009 -> 12:02 PM) LOL, the kid's pretty good. We just drafted Harold Baines Jr. Who is next? Hawk Harelson III, or maybe Gene Honda, Jr. The Sox have to lead the league in nepotism when it comes to the draft.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Apr 27, 2009 -> 02:23 PM) over/under on Brian Anderson home runs: 4.5 I say way over I am looking forward to the beef chasers of 2005 facing each other Friday night: McCarthy versus BA.

Individuals other than BC who I would rather see on the mound in a White Sox uniform this year: 1) The Iraqi shoe throwing news reporter; and 2) Def Lepperd's drummer.

LOS ANGELES (AP)—Rafael Furcal is staying with the Los Angeles Dodgers, reaching a preliminary agreement Wednesday on a $33 million, three-year contract. Now Kenny can draft his third cousin, or Ozzie's nephew, with the 17th pick we get from the Dodgers.