MexSoxFan#1

QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Jul 25, 2013 -> 09:26 PM) Did you guys know that Derrick Rose is the best player in the NBA? Only if aliens abduct that dude in Miami and that other guy in Oklahoma City...

QUOTE (ChiSox_Sonix @ Jul 25, 2013 -> 11:29 AM) I'm surprised they've kept Chepo around as long as they have. They've looked disastrous for a while now. With a really tough close to the WCQs, they might have to play New Zealand for that last spot in the WC To be honest, I haven't followed the WCQs all that closely, soccer is my least favorite team sport after baseball, football, basketball and hockey, pretty much in that order ( which is kinda odd as me being Mexican-American but I was born and raised in Chicago ). I have seen the sports media here having a fit over the impotence of this Mexican National Team's performance and they lament the fact that Team USA is clearly the superior side now in CONCACAF I'm not so sure changing De La Torre would change that dynamic but maybe they'd at least stop losing to Panama. Gold Cup prediction USA 3 Panama 1

QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Jul 24, 2013 -> 10:59 PM) Good job Mexico. Really, two straight losses to...Panama. The sports press down here are going nuts and they want Chepo De La Torre gone yesterday.

QUOTE (Knuckles @ Jul 19, 2013 -> 12:01 AM) Charles is actually Carlos' brother. NSIS Anyways, Carlos is Spanish for Charles.

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Jul 11, 2013 -> 04:19 PM) Eh, how do you define good? Outside of the lottery, Butler and Taj are your only good picks late. Year Lg Rd Pk Player 2013 NBA 1 20 Tony Snell 2013 NBA 2 49 Erik Murphy Year Lg Rd Pk Player 2012 NBA 1 29 Marquis Teague Year Lg Rd Pk Player 2011 NBA 1 28 Norris Cole 2011 NBA 1 30 Jimmy Butler 2011 NBA 2 43 Malcolm Lee Year Lg Rd Pk Player 2010 NBA 1 17 Kevin Seraphin Year Lg Rd Pk Player 2009 NBA 1 16 James Johnson 2009 NBA 1 26 Taj Gibson Year Lg Rd Pk Player 2008 NBA 1 1 Derrick Rose 2008 NBA 2 39 Sonny Weems Year Lg Rd Pk Player 2007 NBA 1 9 Joakim Noah 2007 NBA 2 49 Aaron Gray 2007 NBA 2 51 JamesOn Curry Year Lg Rd Pk Player 2006 NBA 1 2 LaMarcus Aldridge 2006 NBA 1 16 Rodney Carney Year Lg Rd Pk Player 2004 NBA 1 3 Ben Gordon 2004 NBA 2 31 Jackson Vroman 2004 NBA 2 38 Chris Duhon Year Lg Rd Pk Player 2003 NBA 1 7 Kirk Hinrich 2003 NBA 2 36 Mario Austin 2003 NBA 2 45 Matt Bonner 2003 NBA 2 53 Tommy Smith Year Lg Rd Pk Player 2002 NBA 1 2 Jay Williams 2002 NBA 2 30 Roger Mason 2002 NBA 2 43 Lonny Baxter Year Lg Rd Pk Player 2001 NBA 1 4 Eddy Curry 2001 NBA 2 29 Trenton Hassell 2001 NBA 2 44 Sean Lampley Year Lg Rd Pk Player 2000 NBA 1 4 Marcus Fizer 2000 NBA 1 7 Chris Mihm 2000 NBA 1 24 Dalibor Bagaric Lord have mercy

This will be my last post here but one thing that has really bothered me from the start is...why didn't Zimmerman identify himself prior to it getting physical? He had ample opportunities? "Hello, my name is George, I'm from Neighborhood Watch, I'm on patrol right now. May I ask where are you going and are you visiting someone here? Sorry but I've never seen you before?" Who here doesn't believe that wouldn't difuse the situation right then and there? IMO, that thwarts any burglary attempt if it wasn't TM on that night but a would be robber and obviously Martin would explain that he was just getting to his dad's gf's house. That is all that would've taken. But no, GZ just kept following TM, they eyeballed each other a few times and it never occured to GZ to identify himself. Seems to me Zim wasn't interested in preventing a crime but actually help arrest a criminal (TM must've been guilty of something). I know Neighborhood Watch programs are designed to prevent crime by reporting suspicious activity, not actually stopping a crime in progress, I think GZ wanted to be a hero that night and an innocent kid is dead because of it. I don't know about you but I wouldn't feel safe with a neighbor like that. Lastly, maybe Z isn't guilty according to our laws but he damn sure is morally/ethically...

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jul 15, 2013 -> 09:29 AM) Seems to me this case is going to be one of the times we are thankful this country has two systems in which they can prosecute another. There was not enough evidence to state that Zimmerman killed Martin in cold blood, and frankly, he was doing what he needed to ensure he was not killed, thus, they could not convict him criminally of this crime. But, had Zimmerman not gotten involved, Martin would still be alive, so there is absolutely a wrongful death involved here. I'm guessing the civil suit is going to be much stronger and much more likely to lead to a conviction. As has been mentioned, Zimmerman was found not guilty, which is not the same as innocent. We know he shot and killed Martin. Due to the level of guilt, if tried in a civil court, he very well could/should be found guilty and the Zimmerman family will owe a great deal of money to the Martin family. I don't feel that letting Zimmerman out would be the same as letting Jason Holmes out. This isn't a psychotic lunatic who is bound to kill again. I believe he was a vigilante who got in over his head and made a snap decision that cost another human being their life, and that is incredibly unfortuante. He should still be tried civilly, because there is absolutely some level of guilt here that should be dealt with. I disagree, Z has a history of violence. He had to take anger management classes. He beat his former gf. He's been called a Jekyll and Hyde by a co-worker(s). He had a run-in with a law enforcement officer. There's his altercation with a Daniel Osmun. A neighbor accused Z of repeatedly stalking him, right up to his front door. He was called overly aggressive as a security guard...something like this was bound to happen sooner or later (especially since this moron had a gun). This is a guy with issues, he's prone to making terrible decisions, he has a gun, believe me, this won't be the last time we hear him getting in trouble.

QUOTE (Y2HH @ Jul 15, 2013 -> 09:14 AM) It shows the government that you speak of isn't above writing laws that will harm a person, financially...OR physically. It baffles me how you'd think they'd be ok writing laws that allow them to steal in the financial markets, but they'd stop short of writing laws that you're speaking of now. Sorry I had to connect the dots for you. Perhaps it's high time you start thinking for yourself now. I love how Y2HH was pontificating about avoiding this thread because of the insults being hurled by both sides and then without provocation, throws an insult at another poster...hooray for consistency

QUOTE (Cknolls @ Jul 13, 2013 -> 09:46 PM) I am inviting all libs over for a pity party. You guys need to clean your diapers. Yeah, f*ck you.

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Jul 13, 2013 -> 09:13 PM) Can we just give away Florida and Texas to Mexico? No thanks, we'll pass...

QUOTE (Cknolls @ Jul 12, 2013 -> 04:58 PM) And he caught him? in a chase? you guys are really soft in here if you believe this tub of goo caught a 17 yr kid. Please someone answer WHy didn't Martin just go home? Fair question and honestly it was a fatal mistake by TM. Another question, why didn't GZ identify himself as Watch Captain immediately to try and diffuse the situation. We know one of GZ's versions is BS, the one that says TM ambushed him from behind some bushes since there aren't any bushes in the area where the fight broke out.

QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Jul 12, 2013 -> 03:43 PM) Did those guys bash your head into the concrete? Because that makes things much different. And the cuts he had after the event support it, your irrelevant opinion aside. Your opinion is as irrelevant as mine, you weren't there either. Yeah, his head injuries were so severe he refused to go to the hospital...

QUOTE (zenryan @ Jul 12, 2013 -> 02:47 PM) You obviously have no clue on what youre talking about here. It isnt that easy to get someone off of you from that position if youre getting punched in the face when you have no idea how to defend yourself. And he wasnt taking MMA lessons. He was doing basically cardio workouts at a MMA gym. The gym owner even said he didnt do anything more than punch a heavy bag. He didnt do any MMA type workouts/grappling. Have you ever gotten in a fight? I've fought bigger guys than me and never had to resort to killing someone. You don't think it entirely possible that Zim is exaggerating just what a killing machine that teenager was? I'm of the opinion that he used unneccesary force, his injuries weren't that serious, so sue me...

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jul 12, 2013 -> 02:15 PM) Geraldo Rivera: jesus christ edit: seriously, is there any way to read this besides Rivera advocating for a "shoot unknown black males on sight" policy for white women? I submit G Rivera as the biggest moron in these internets, congrats!

I've no respect for people who go look for fights, get handled, shoot the other guy and claim self defense. Hint, don't be Batman, follow your own guidelines, use common sense and no one gets hurt. They should send Zim to prison for just being an idiot. Oh, and guys like him shouldn't be packing heat, he's a flat out moron.

QUOTE (pettie4sox @ Jul 12, 2013 -> 02:01 PM) The man doesn't have a shred of pride left but at least he's alive... for now. He practically had a witness berate him and call him a giant f***ing p**** to save his skin. Not sure if I would want to go out like that. That to me is the most WTF thing about all this...Zim is so b****made he can't get a teen who weighs less than him, off of him without killing him? Really? This is a guy who wanted to be a cop and took MAA lessons and he's now the weakest man alive...please.

All I'm gonna say is that it's a real b**** move to pull out a gun in a fist fight. So now George is a softie pushover (let's ignore his anger issues and violent past) and Trayvon is an eight armed teenaged killing machine...ok.

QUOTE (mr_genius @ Jul 12, 2013 -> 10:36 AM) i think George Zimmerman is gonna get convicted of manslaughter. Yup I saw one of Casey Anthony's defense lawyers, Cheney Mason, on Piers Morgan last night and he had an interesting theory. He said if someone is accused of murder but there is only circumstancial evidence to go by, chances are pretty good the accused get off but if you absolutely know who the killer is (Zim in this case claiming self-defense), they usually will get convicted of something. He predicted that GZ will get manslaughter.

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Jul 1, 2013 -> 02:59 PM) Interesting twist I didn't know (and find a little hard to believe): Zimmerman didn't know Martin was dead until a cop told him. I don't believe that, at all.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jun 28, 2013 -> 02:56 PM) Trying to 'play cop' resulted in an innocent person being shot to death. Zimmerman shot 1 time and killed a child who had been doing absolutely nothing wrong. He was young, black and had a hoodie, doe

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Jun 28, 2013 -> 02:53 PM) Suspension for name calling please. You do come off as a "gun nut" though No offense

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jun 28, 2013 -> 02:51 PM) This cannot be pointed out enough. ......................

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Jun 28, 2013 -> 02:47 PM) But the guy with the gun picked the fight. Martin was running away, Zimmerman chased him. You keep conveniently forgetting that Martin tried to run away to start and Zimmerman escalated a simple situation by chasing. Had he just done nothing, no one gets hurt, no one goes to jail, no taxpayer money is wasted. There is literally no situation where what Zimmerman did, ends in a fairy tale. Its not like he saw Martin even breaking into a house or car, he literally was walking down the street. In no world does that give a normal citizen the right to follow with a gun. The second Zimmerman decided he was going to be a vigilante, is the second that someone was likely going to get seriously injured. And that decision occurred days/weeks/months before Martin stepped out of his house. Its time to be serious and live in a serious world. You are lying if you really want random people running around your neighborhood chasing teenagers with guns. Flat out lying, because you wouldnt accept it for a second. Only in Jenks neighborhood

Its gonna get really ugly if Zimmerman walks scot free, especially considering the jury racial make up.

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Jun 28, 2013 -> 02:38 PM) Especially if you're not white! I ain't running from you either