MexSoxFan#1

I've been to those websites and a couple of other basketball forums as well and the consensus in all of those is that MJ was the best ever and generally his GOAT competition consists of KAJ, Wilt and to a lesser extant, Bird, Magic and Russell. Sorry J4L but Kobe isn't regarded that high up. LeBron will enter that class by the time he is done. Kobe won't. SMH at the notion that it's mostly only Bulls homers put MJ on top of GOAT discussions...

I think J4L needs to go back and refresh his memory about just how dominating MJ was. Kobe IS NOT on MJ's level and never was and never will be. And to clarify when I called Kobe a chucker, I didn't mean it so much as a volume shooter (though he does shoot a lot), I meant it in the sense that he forces a lot of shots instead of playing within the offense. He's famous for making tough jumpers but most don't go in, in the end, they weren't good shots and PJax alluded to such recently. Instead of chucker I should of said "bad shot selector":p

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ May 27, 2013 -> 10:45 PM) I'm excited to watch Pop coach circles around Spoelstra. Teams being equal, Pop destroys Spo but Spo has LBJ...even I can coach the Heat to victory, I'll just say to Bron, "do your thang" and get out of the way.

QUOTE (ZoomSlowik @ May 27, 2013 -> 08:12 PM) Sure there is: let him take it and laugh the 70% of the time it doesn't go in.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ May 26, 2013 -> 06:33 PM) Kobe passed Magic/Bird after his 4th and 5th rings. Magic/Bird were liabilities defensively. Kobe (not now) but at his best was an all-league defender who could drop 55 on you whenever he felt like it. I brought up Horry because you are using ring count as a reason why Kobe>Magic/Bird. It is flawed logic IMO, Kobe got his first 3 rings because of Shaq. Bird would've had more chips if it weren't for the fact that he was going up against some of the greatest teams in NBA history like Magic's Lakers, early 80s 76ers and Bad Boys Pistons. Kobe's Lakers beat one of the worst Finalists in Dwight's Magic, lol. Kobe has it over Bird in longetivity but peak vs peak, Bird easily. I totally disagree with you on your opinion of Kobe > MJ offensively. The only thing Kobe has on MJ is long range and not by much, MJ was the better offensive and defensive player. And before you call me an old timer that thinks his generation >, I'll say this, If LeBron keeps playing at this level for a few more years and leads his team to more titles and FMVPs, he will definitely be in the GOAT convo and deservedly so. Kobe? That train left the station...

QUOTE (Brian @ May 26, 2013 -> 09:10 PM) I must be I'll, because I'm with J4L on Kobe. Not his reasoning but Kobe in his prime was definitely better then Bird in his prime. Bird made other players better when I don't think Kobe ever did, but as comparing them, it's Kobe easily. No, let's not get carried away. Bird won 3 straight MVPs. Bird's peak > Kobe's and it ain't close. Bird's 3 year MVP run is as good as any in NBA history. How many MVPs does Kobe have again? Kobe is suppossed to be this unstoppable offensive machine yet has exactly two scoring titles in more than a decade and a half years career I'll say it, Kobe is a chucker, (FG% was never his friend) takes too many bad shots, his "clutchness" is overrated (check for yourselves) and LeBron is already better than Bryant ever was. I don't use the "ring count" when judging players or else Robert Horry would be top 3 GOAT... My top 5 1. MJ 2. KAJ 3. Wilt 4. Magic 5. Bird

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 23, 2013 -> 08:54 AM) And at the end of the day, if he can get a pass of to one of their shooters, and they beat you... Fine. But you HAVE to throw everything at LeBron. Yep...and the worst possible scenario for Indy happened, they gave up an uncontested layup to the best finisher in basketball, SMH.

QUOTE (chw42 @ May 22, 2013 -> 10:54 PM) Frank Vogel is crazy stupid for not playing Hibbert on defense. He almost should get fired for that, so dumb.

QUOTE (Felix @ May 17, 2013 -> 02:00 PM) LOL NO ONE LIKES THE TIMBERWOLVES BECAUSE THEY SUCK. GET IT?! JUST LIKE THE WNBA, AMIRITE?

The Bulls just are never healthy this time of year. God must hate us.

QUOTE (lasttriptotulsa @ May 9, 2013 -> 08:01 AM) Hilarious. The guy with Snooki as his avatar is criticizing women's looks. Sure the woman in this picture is nasty, but Snooki is about as gross as it gets. Snooki is a beauty queen compared to that she-male in that pic.

QUOTE (buhbuhburrrrlz @ May 8, 2013 -> 10:34 PM) KC Johnson - Taj Gibson will likely be suspended for that. Didn't leave floor and kept pointing at official Scott Foster, spewing profanity. If he is suspended, so much for Game 3. Especially with Boozer playing so awful, and not having Taj to go to. Also no lead is safe for the warriors lol WOW It amazes me that that happens alot but you hardly ever hear of NBA players retaliating. We all know that couple would get their asses handed to them if they did that to Jo outside with no cameras around, lol. They wouldn't even dare.

QUOTE (Knuckles @ May 8, 2013 -> 08:08 PM) Honestly how many of you think Bulls can win this series? If we had all our guys healthy and playing, I'd say a decent shot, 45-55 maybe. As is, only if LeBron gets kidnapped.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ May 6, 2013 -> 11:29 PM) Amazing game. The difference between west ball and east ball is just mind-blowing. I literally fall asleep at times watching these eastern conference teams play this boring ass late 90's ball. West ball is so much more aesthetically pleasing to the eyes. I enjoy low scoring games, in baseball, football and basketball.

Looks like Jo still has DR's back despite all the speculation to the contrary... http://m.espn.go.com/nba/story?storyId=9249599

The pressure on DR to play this round is gonna go through the roof.

Noah is a boss. He is the leader of this team. Bar none.

Oh boy.

QUOTE (Jake @ May 4, 2013 -> 08:24 PM) This is what we say in the Heat series. No way we should lose now. I truly hope you're right but I can see this game easily become a nail biter and the Nets squeezing it out in the end. Expecting the worst, hoping for the best.

Win or lose, we all should be proud of how these Bulls battle...

If this keeps up, Rose will get run out of Chicago and then we'll all be happy.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ May 3, 2013 -> 11:58 AM) Mex Sox Fan would be calling him a gigantic p****. Some people don't read. In the NFC Championship game thread I was ranting against Cutler and have admitted it. Part of it was that I was pretty drunk and pissed that even before Jay got hurt, he was putting up a garbage performance and looking shook. The other part was we were losing to our most hated rivals, at home no less. Jay puts up an average performance and the Bears win, Hanie had us in that game for f***s sake. I took back what I said later that night and especially the day after. Cutler was legitemately hurt. I've apologized for my meatheadedness and won't do that again. You guys come off as meatheads because Rose is either a coward or a lazy POS. I don't believe that to be the case. He's being overly cautious because it's his career we're talking about. And to say this could be his legacy is downright silly. People will forget this when he gets back to his old form (fingers crossed). Not to long ago LeBron was thought as being mentally weak and unclutch, lol.

QUOTE (Jake @ May 3, 2013 -> 11:54 AM) He says he's 100% healthy. Chance of reinjury goes away very shortly after surgery. His problems are "mental" lol, are you minimizing the mental aspect? If in his mind he has doubts, let him have a summer's worth of burn and preseason to get his confidence in his body. Why do people here think that NBA practices = NBA games?

Look, I don't want to get in a long debate about if he should play or not. Doctors have been known to be wrong. If he doesn't feel right, then I trust his judgement because in my opinion Rose isn't a slacker or a "p****". IMO, he is being smart in taking his time. We've seen how other players who suffered the same kind of injury and came back when they were cleared were never the same afterwards. Look, it's a distinct possibility that Rose may never be as explosive as he was. I'm all for sacrificing this season (who really thinks Miami won't waltz their way to their second title?) in hopes of doing something different than other superstars who played when they were cleared only to be shadows of their former self. Maybe taking more time off than what the doctors say could be the difference and we'll see again an MVP version Rose? If that's what Derrick thinks,l I'll take that gamble as well.

QUOTE (buhbuhburrrrlz @ May 3, 2013 -> 11:00 AM) Pretty much. Though you have to admit the guy isn't doing himself any favors. Certainly giving people ammunition: He shouldn't be on the bench, and shouldn't be warming up before games. The handling of the Rose injury has been a mega clusterf*** PR wise, and those "The Return" ads didn't help either. The Bulls should've anounced early on that Rose wouldn't come back this year like Wilbon said, anything else would be an awesome surprise. Do people really think that Rose, who hasn't played a minute of NBA basketball this year with this squad could come in and be effective? Really? Rose is a ball dominant player, you need time to mesh with your teammates. The playoffs aren't the time and place to find a chemistry. When Rose didn't come back in the regular season, it was 100% guaranteed he wouldn't be back in the playoffs. The Bulls are on the verge of losing this series because of the MASH unit the team has become. A healthy Bulls team without Rose handles the Nets or anybody else outside the Miami Heat in the EC.