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And like I said earlier in this thread, I wanted him as part of a Cease package last year. Does that count as being willing to trade something for him?

Damn, someone ate their Wheaties this morning with all these hard flexes. You word for word asked me if I would trade a better prospect than Eder for Rice and I replied “Sure, it depends on the prospect”. You’re obsessed with the Eder part of the idea (which I came up with in two seconds because an MLB.com writer had him as part of a mock trade to the Yankees) whereas the point was trying to buy low on Rice. And while I disagree on Eder’s value, I would trade a better pitching prospect for him like I already stated. But keep on flexing brother and get that anger out of your system.

I seriously doubt he could be moved through waivers. Have you seen the type of guys that get picked up on the regular?

Oh I fully agree, but I would if I were the Sox

Sorry, that’s supposed to be for Robert, which makes a big difference.

Same article. He’s just got very weird views on things and doesn’t understand in the Red Sox deal that we don’t want a bunch of guys under control for four or five years.

I guess no one should ever trade for relievers then.

Jim Bowden proposal in The Athletic: White Sox Give: CF Luis Robert White Sox Get: 3B Cam Collier (20 years old | Y22 1st round pick | #5 org prospect) SS Tyson Lewis (18 years old | Y24 2nd round pick | #9 org prospect) RHP Luke Holman (21 years old | Y24 CB-B pick | #11 to #15 org prospect) I would accept that offer in a heartbeat.

Jim Bowden proposal in The Athletic: White Sox Give: LHP Garrett Crochet White Sox Get: RF Wilyer Abreu (25 years old | 5 years of control | 114 wRC+ | 3.1 fWAR) 1B Triston Casas (24 years old | 4 years of control | 119 wRC+ | 0.6 fWAR) CA Connor Wong (28 years old | 4 years of control | 110 wRC+ | 1.1 fWAR) Unfortunately I’d have to say no to that.

Who?

Not against something centered around Mayo, but don’t love their secondary pieces.

How exactly do you plan on building an offense when you’d trade our only high end positional prospect for more SP and don’t want to use Crochet to add positional prospects?

Maybe, depends on the prospect. But Rice is a 26 year old, bat only player and not in the Yankees’ immediate plans given his initial struggles last year. I don’t think the price will be all that crazy. I also don’t think Eder has zero value. A LH reliever has value and that outcome is still possible.

Feels like Thorpe wasn’t factored into the Best Tools list.

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I’d assume so yes. The top three are top 50 prospects and Quero is definitely a top 100. Thorpe was high enough pre injury to probably still be in there, but I guess it’s technically possible all the draft pick additions push him just out.

It would be no doubt, but Eder is far behind our other SP options. And while he could be interesting as a LH reliever, I’d rather have the bat even if it’s a 1B / DH profile.

Any deal with the Red Sox needs to include Mayer or Campbell as the centerpiece IMO.

If I’m being honest, I was a little surprised by some of those projections and am confident not all would be met, but I do think most of these guys have positive fWAR floors if they are given a chance (outside of Fletcher).

I’m thinking something like Jake Eder for Ben Rice might make sense for both sides. I know that might feel gross given we just gave up a controllable 1B / DH for Eder, but I think we have a pitching surplus to make this type of trade.

Ben Rice. LH 1B/DH type (has played some catcher, but would pass on that) in the Yankees org who has put up big offensive numbers in the minors, but hasn’t yet proven himself in the majors. Turns 26 next year and Yankees seem like they will add a more proven 1B this offseason which could make Rice available. He’s the type of guy I’d love to roll the dice on. I actually wanted him as a secondary piece in a Cease deal last offseason.

I’d want someone with a higher ceiling than Arroyo to headline a Crochet deal.

I don’t think so. Honestly, I think Warren swinging his dick around during the Eberflus press conference is because he is thinking bolder for the hire. They obviously could still botch this because they’re the Bears, but I don’t think they just roll with the internal guy.

For reference, here is how Steamer 600 projects that lineup for next year: 1B: Vaughn (1.6 fWAR | 110 wRC+) 2B: Sosa (1.7 fWAR | 95 wRC+) SS: Baldwin# (2.0 fWAR | 92 wRC+) 3B: Vargas (1.9 fWAR | 105 wRC+) LF: Benintendi (1.5 fWAR | 105 wRC+) CF: Robert (2.4 fWAR | 104 wRC+) RF: Fletcher (0.1 fWAR | 82 wRC+) DH: Rice* (1.8 fWAR | 115 wRC+) CA: Quero# (2.3 fWAR | 97 wRC+) Outside of RF, all these guys project to be slightly below average to average regulars. Overall it’s a bad lineup and not all these guys are going to hit those projections, but if we can end up with two of Sosa, Baldwin, Vargas, & Fletcher (or DeLoach) becoming second division starters moving forward that’s a better outcome than hoping we can flip some scrap heap signings for useful prospects at the deadline.

As mentioned above, I do not want us to sign a bunch of DeJong types this offseason. We have a ton of fringe major leaguers that should be battling for spots and allow them to swing or swim until better prospects are ready. As such, this is the lineup that I’d like to see on Opening Day. Right now, I’m assuming none of the prospects received are major league ready. 1B: Vaughn 2B: Sosa (eventual shift to reserve infielder role) SS: Baldwin# (shift to 2B once Montgomery is ready) 3B: Vargas (potentially Ramos as some point) LF: Benintendi* CF: Robert RF: Fletcher*, DeLoach*, or Colas* DH: Rice*, Rule 5 pick, or other trade CA: Lee (Quero# up by May 1st) As highlighted above, Montgomery eventually gets called up and takes over SS until he proves he can’t handle the position. That forces Baldwin to 2B unless Sosa is absolutely killing it. If not, Lenyn moves to a backup role and can serve as the weak-side of a 2B platoon (he was one of our better hitters against LHP last year). Quero will come up before May 1st and is only starting the season in AAA for service time manipulation. Ramos is a wild card and could factor into a lot of spots. Unfortunately with Vargas, it seems like we need to give him an extended look somewhere and 3B appears to be the spot they have in mind. If so, I’d give Ramos a bit more seasoning in AAA and have him start playing some OF to improve his utility. I wouldn’t be against him filling in at multiple spots (3B, 2B, LF, etc.) next year once ready. By keeping Robert & Benintendi, you only have one OF spot to for the three AAAA OF types. Unless Crochet returns a major league ready OF, I think you let Fletcher and DeLoach battle for the spot (with Colas a long-shot third option). I am incredibly low on all these options, but at least Fletcher’s defense provides a path to a solid 4th OF with any meaningful improvement with the bat. He’d be the guy I’d plan on getting the role, but I’d make him earn it. Slater should be used as the weak side of a RF platoon regardless. Also, it’s abundantly clear that we need to get one legit OF prospect in a Crochet trade and ideally one that’s not too far off because Robert & Benintendi could be gone by August.