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He doesn’t care though. He will not risk a small one year loss even if greatly enhances his chances at winning. It’s really that simple.

I think the concern is with his defense, especially when rule changes will require more out of the position. He’s also at an age where he could come to the Sox and fall off a cliff offensively. Again, I’m not necessarily against it, but just think we have more obvious holes in the outfield & rotation and little money to add.

Honestly, those don’t upset me too much. We have a bunch of guys coming off unpredictably bad seasons and a couple major holes not filled. More concerned that Hahn fill those holes with marginal talents and we end up a couple games over .500 and just short of the division.

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I think Burger to the Brewers makes a ton of sense. With Renfoe traded and Taylor likely sliding to the OF there is also a massive hole at DH now. I’d prefer a young pitcher like Gasser vs. Wong though.

Agreed. I’ll keep screaming it, but get me the best OF and SP possible, and then go with youth and cheap depth options at 2B.

Errors would be less concerning than range, but to your point they could easily be interrelated. If we were to acquire him, our pro scouts better be certain he can at least be average there next year.

Anyone know what happened to Wong’s defense last year? Those splits against RHP are sexy AF but probably not worth it if he’s defense is going to be as bad as it was last year. 2B defense needs to be prioritized with shift rule change.

You finding this trade simulator was always to be a problem.

First off, I was responding to HOF’s plan, where the only positional addition is an aging 4th OF and requires relying on a bunch of 1B/DH types in the OF. If that is the plan, then blow this thing the f*** up. This “kids can play” idea is sounds like Jerry’s dream for suppressing payroll. In regards to your plan, I don’t think banking on a bunch of athletic but fringe outfield prospects is going to move the needle. Other than Outman, who is the definition of high variance, I’m not all that excited about any of the names you mentioned. You keep going on & on about athleticism, but other than bigger bases I’m not sure what rule changes suddenly make these guys this hot commodity. Yes, defense is important and has been incredibly undervalued by Hahn but so is hitting the baseball. I’m not convinced any of these guys will be average major league hitters. If we were rebuilding, I’d be all over Outman, but trotting out a trio of unproven OFs doesn’t make sense if we’re going for it. We should be giving Colas a shot in RF and pairing him with a veteran. You claim the best years are behind Conforto, Bellinger, & Gallo, but at least these guys are still young and have hit major league pitching in the past. The chances of them being successful is considerably higher than the guys you are seeking.

So basically punt the 2023 season? If so, why not sell?

This guy spews out about hundred rumors a day across all MLB franchises. I’m assuming he’s full of s%*#, but there is some logic to the rumor.

Wasn’t Bellinger’s arb figure less than this?

Alright boys, probably good to have this debate come to an end. I think we can all agree that Boston shouldn’t be retained due to his on the field record alone.

Clevinger is definitely a wild card and I can see the clubhouse concerns. There are other SPs in this price tier I’d be fine with. Conforto I’m less concerned about simply because I haven’t heard anything bad about him specifically. Out of all the buy-low LH OFs, he’s probably the highest on my list. He’s a big risk no doubt, but I see an easier path to quality offensive production than I do with Bellinger or Gallo. As for Lux, I’m probably higher on him than most. I think he’s barely scratched the surface of his potential and that he has legit star 2B upside. Whether he hits that ceiling or not remains to be seen, but even if he never taps into his plus raw power he should be an above average hitter against RHP and provide quality defense at 2B.

This is absolutely ridiculous. Billy Hamilton is one of the worst hitters in recent memory. Bellinger in his current flawed state is leagues better. And there is still the hope a 27 year old former MVP can find his form, especially with a fresh start somewhere else. I’m not expecting a sudden return to form, but it’s much more likely than Stone Garrett or James Outman becoming stud OFs.

I wouldn’t have a problem putting a claim in on Garrett, but I think your expectations are way too high. Tons of athletic guys can’t hit major league pitching and his former team didn’t buy into his SSS of production. Doesn’t mean the DBacks couldn’t be wrong on him, but I wouldn’t banking on him playing an important role next year on a club trying to win a championship.

You’re losing me when you call Stone Garrett a young stud. And Outman is interesting, but seems to be a boom or bust type guy. The Dodgers won’t just give him away though, so you’ll also have to pay a decent price in talent to have the luxury of seeing what guy you ultimately get.

Zero chance.

Assistant hitting coach? If so, I really don’t mind. Seems like most players enjoyed their recovery stints last year after with Menechino.

Marco Gonzales put up a 5.05 FIP and struck out 5.07 per 9. The dude can give you innings, but they will likely be garbage a la Dallas Keuchel. Unless you are giving up someone like Leury for him, there is zero reason to consider him. Winker would be an interesting buy low candidate if we didn’t already have four or five 1B/DH to choose from. As such, I don’t see a fit and I am 100% opposed of having another shitty defender in the OF.

Gonzales is legit bad and Winker is another DH. I don’t understand how that trade would help us compete next year. Just move Hendricks for prospects if you’re looking to rebuild.

Yup, not sure his coaching resume warrants continued employment under a new manager.

Oh I know, I was just saying I agree with you based on my recent post.

Which is I why I included Sosa in my trade proposal with the Dodgers.