Chicago White Sox

I don’t think you can go with that as you’re starting five next year. You have to assume Kopech & Keuchel will play limited roles in the postseason do to innings limits (and likely performance with Dallas), which means you’re one injury to Giolito, Lynn, & Cease before getting into real trouble. I think the Sox passing on Rodon is because they have free agent starters in mind they like better.

Lol…good thing the offseason literally just started!

I have no idea what your first paragraph is getting at. Also, why are you blaming all our wild pitches on our catchers and not the pitchers? We literally had six and four additional passed balls vs. the Dodgers & Rays. And regardless, Zack Collins greatly skews our wild pitch totals vs. the guy who was expected to be our playoff catcher. And I’m not sure why any of this matters, unless you’re suggesting a few extra passed balls is why his velocity dropped and his HR rate spiked with us.

I think the problem is Carlos was going to take the QO if extended. I get people loved what he gave us when healthy (so did I), but dude has a terrible track record of health. As long as they take the $18.5M and reinvest it into another pitcher I’m good here.

If they’re passing on him to pursue a different starter then I’m 100% cool with this as I’m not optimistic he holds up for an entire season. If this is a sign of a tight budget, then that’s problematic. For now, I’m assuming it’s the former rather than the latter.

I’d guess somewhere in the $175M to $180M range.

Iglesias getting one is great news for the Kimbrel market.

First off, when did I say I was only referring to certain deals? I said I wasn’t referring to the trade deadline specifically when I said I think the pro scouting has improved. With a very tight budget the Sox were able to add two All-Stars and bring back a third one this past offseason. Their offseason wasn’t perfect, but it was probably the best one since god knows when. 2006 maybe? Second, I’ve never even said our pro scouting staff is good. Being better than one of the worst pro scouting functions in all of baseball doesn’t mean you’re good. My point was the pro scouting staff has gone through a major shakeup since the Tatis dark days and to stop penalizing the current group for the past group’s misdoings. That being said, you’re using the Kimbrel trade as proof of our pro scouting group failing despite arguably the two best pro scouting departments in baseball (Rays & Dodgers) wanting him. So yeah, unless you made these predictions at the time of acquisition, I’m going to call you out for using hindsight to rip our organization.

Sure, it’s fine to expect some regression, but no one expected a near 5 ERA. Some of the best organizations in baseball were competing for him in the Dodgers & Rays. I don’t hear Balta ripping on them though. There is plenty to rip Rick Hahn for, including the price he paid for Kimbrel, but using his disastrous time with us as a pro scouting failure isn’t one of them IMO.

Taylor getting a QO hurts as I can’t see him not accepting it.

Updated list: Confirmed players being extended a QO: Nick Castellanos, Reds Michael Conforto, Mets Freddie Freeman, Braves Robbie Ray, Blue Jays Corey Seager, Dodgers Marcus Semien, Blue Jays Trevor Story, Rockies Noah Syndergaard, Mets Carlos Correa, Astros Chris Taylor, Dodgers Other players that could receive one: Jon Gray, Rockies Carlos Rodón, White Sox Eduardo Rodriguez, Red Sox Justin Verlander, Tigers

I wasn’t referring to the deadline deals specifically (adding two All-Stars in the offseason is a nice step up from what we’ve historically gotten), but funny you don’t bring up the Tepera trade at all. Again, apparently you knew a guy with a 0.50 ERA was going to suddenly flop. If only we could replace Hahn with you we probably win the last two World Series.

Whoops, I’m traveling through Indiana right now and didn’t realize I wasn’t on Central time. Looks like we got another hour to go.

What is called asset allocation?

I have a feeling half the board is going to riot in 15 minutes.

30 minutes to the deadline and not a word on Rodon yet…

I kind of read it the same way, but Hahn speaks lawyer so hard to be too certain about anything he says.

Yes, the idea is you can’t turn around and trade a guy who accepts the QO right away. The power shifts to player, at least until mid-season.

Confirmed players being extended a QO: Nick Castellanos, Reds Michael Conforto, Mets Freddie Freeman, Braves Robbie Ray, Blue Jays Corey Seager, Dodgers Marcus Semien, Blue Jays Trevor Story, Rockies Noah Syndergaard, Mets Other players that could receive one: Carlos Correa, Astros (will 100% get one) Jon Gray, Rockies Clayton Kershaw, Dodgers Carlos Rodón, White Sox Eduardo Rodriguez, Red Sox Chris Taylor, Dodgers Justin Verlander, Tigers Less than three hours to go! The longer this drags, the less convinced they will QO Rodon.

If Rodon accepts the QO, the Sox can’t trade Rodon until June unless he agrees to a trade.

Can’t trade Rodon until June if he accepts the QO without his consent.

If they don’t offer Rodon a QO, it’s because they’re rather spend that $18.4M on a better and/or safer pitcher. And the Sox aren’t going to keep “Kimbrall” and there is absolutely no connect between him and Rodon.

They have greatly overhauled their pro scouting department and I think that shows with their most recent moves. At some point you have to move past the Fernando Tatis, which probably reflects a low point for the organization. And yeah, a lot contending teams have young talent and so do the Sox, so not sure what your point is there. The Dodgers traded two of their best prospects to add two veterans at the deadline because that’s what good teams do at the deadline.

100% agree. If we trade him for a bad contract, it’s an incredibly stupid move. I still think we should be able to get an interesting, less proven reliever for him or a couple of C caliber prospects.

Fully agree with you here. I just get frustrated that people simply look at his two months with the Sox and act like he’s the worst reliever of all time. When the guy is going right, Kimbrel is as good as anyone in the game.