Chicago White Sox

Something about to pop?

Look at how teams rebuild quickly nowadays. High draft picks and perhaps more importantly is large bonus pools that can be spread to multiple pieces. Take that away from teams like the Royals & Pirates and they are looking at very lengthy rebuilds if they don’t hit on the vast majority of their high picks.

That‘a the belief

Except for when low revenue teams at the bottom are stuck there forever.

Don’t you want to vote a bunch steroid users into the hall?

That’s not good for us

Marry a bimbo? Who the fuck cares who he marries, this is baseball not The Bachelor.

What’s crazy is the amount of regression these are projecting for most guys in the lineup outside of Moncada & Madrigal. Abreu going from a 7.0 win pace down to 2.0. Anderson going from a 6.0 to 7.0 win pace down to 2.6. Eloy going from a 4.5 win pace down to 2.0. Grandal going from a 4.6 pace down to 3.6 (despite what should be an increase in playing time at catcher). Also, these have Robert more or less not improving next year. I don’t expect Jose & Timmy to be as good as they were last year over a full 162 game season, but there is certainly upside to their projections. I also fully expect Eloy to blow his number out of the water and expect Robert to come in closer to 5 wins if healthy.

Stiever never even pitched in AA and when he came up to the majors this year his stuff was underwhelming compared to what scouting reports said. No idea how anyone could think his value is higher than Kopech’s. The reality is every major publication has Kopech as a top 50 prospect still whereas Stiever has never cracked a top 100 list. While that isn’t the end all be all, it’s a pretty good indicator of the who the more valuable prospect is.

What in the world has Stiever proved that Kopech hasn't?

No, the Madrigal stuff isn’t coming from Portillo’s, it’s coming straight from Harold in this thread.

You think Madrigal is a “likely 2021 all star”? I like the kid, but those are lofty expectations.

You’d have to ask Harold, but I’m guessing Clevinger based on some of his past posts.

Did you actually just find out about this?

Well there is reason to believe Portillo’s may have information given their past Tweets on the Bummer extension and Jared Kelley’s bonus. And there is reason to believe the Sox would consider trading Madrigal as they offered him up in a deadline trade this year.

He thinks Mendick is better than Madrigal so don’t be surprised if that’s his answer.

Sure, but Bryant is going to sign a five year below market contract this offseason.

Look, I don’t disagree. IMO, Bauer should be the priority. Unfortunately, it could be as simple as Reinsdorf not willing to go to a certain year or dollar amount threshold with a pitcher, which takes Bauer out of the equation and forces us to consider guys like Darvish & Lynn via trade. It would dumb, but it honestly wouldn’t surprise me in the least.

We have no idea who will be aggressive in terms of adding salary. We also don’t know how teams will value Darvish going forward. He was beyond awesome last year and during the 2H of 2019, but he’s had rough stretches before, has had injury issues in the past, and will be 34 years old next season. Just a point of reference, but ZIPS has him as a 2.7 win pitcher over the remaining years of his contract. While I think he will likely outperform that, some teams’ projection models may also see serious regression coming. You are also assuming he’s the only impact pitcher that could be available other than Bauer. We already know that Lynn is likely to be traded. Marquez’s name has been floated around. There could be other guys we’re unaware that could be had. I certainly don’t think Darvish will come cheap, but let’s not get crazy & pretend this is the Chris Sale sweepstakes.

It depends on your budget and how much FV you’re willing to give up to maximize your ability to win in the near-turn. If we can sign Springer, I’m much more open to trading pieces for Darvish.

Same here and I say that as a Madrigal fan.

Sorry, Cease peaked at 25th overall on Pipeline’s rankings. But yeah, I’d be hesitant to give up him up for Darvish and definitely wouldn’t do it if Kimbrel’s contract was involved. That being said, I’m still very high on Cease unlike many on here.

Kimbrel’s salary is what I was referring to.

Kimbrel’s salary? My post probably wasn’t clear, but that’s what I was referring to. If Darvish is anywhere close to his 2020 form, his contract is a steal no doubt, just depends on how he ages. If the price gets too high, I’d assume teams would simply go after someone like Marquez who is both young, cheap & controllable.

All these teams could be interested in Darvish, the question is which ones are willing to give up a top 50 prospect to acquire him and then pay him $59M for his 34 to 36 age seasons.