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QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 25, 2012 -> 10:21 AM) Its too bad they are in our division, because that would be a great team to send Gavin to otherwise. If the Sox could land a couple of DET's top prospect(s), I'd do it in a heartbeat. I'd personally drive Gavin to the Motor City. Gavin's a nice pitcher but Roy Halladay he is not. I'm not sure I see Gavin part of this team's long term future. That 18 win season seems like a LONG time ago.

Maybe this move helps the Sox in the later years (even though I don't think it's close to as bad as Soriano, ARod, Pujols deals) when Prince is in decline and costing the Tigers a ton of money but in the short term, this move sucks for us. Detroit is without a doubt top dog in the AL Central now. While I hope the Sox can be competitive and keep us interested this year, if they start to fall out of it by June/July then I hope KW a page from what the new Cubs brass is doing and start trading guys for some high end prospects. I'd rather go with a rebuild then watch a mediocre at best team the next few years really do nothing in the American League. There's just too many teams better then us right now. If we can maybe get some prospects to build up the farm system again, we could be real players again in a couple of years.

That blowhard Kaplan just said Cubs and Tigers getting close to a deal on Garza.

I like this trade alot for the Cubs. I think Theo is doing the right thing as far as rebuilding goes, tear the whole damn thing down and build it back up.

Good for Mark.

QUOTE (Jenksy Cat @ Dec 6, 2011 -> 01:55 PM) Missing the point. Swisher was a "please take him off our hands trade", the return didn't matter. I respectfully disagree with that but that's not even my main point which is I think the Sox got too little a return for Santos. KW should've waited until some of these other closers got snagged up, someone would've been willing to overpay for Santos more than Toronto did (if they even did-time will tell).

QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Dec 6, 2011 -> 01:50 PM) Wonder if Jon Danks is friends with John Garland. Anyways, nobody in the world thought highly of Jeff Marquez at the time we acquired him. Some people were, Marquez was a 1st rd pick of the Yankees. I'm just saying I think we could've gotten more and some of this talk of Molina as a future All-Star is a bit nuts right now. Kid has only pitched a few games in AA.

As of right now I'm not a big fan of this trade. Santos is a good, young, proven and cheap closer. I don't have a problem with the Sox trading him but I think in the long run they could've gotten more for him. As for Molina, we'll see how he turns out but Jim Callis of BA just said on the score that he not a top of the rotation guy, more of a 3-4 SP when he/if he's ready. It's not like this is the Mulder for Haren trade. Plus for every Jon Danks you might acquire in a trade like this, there's 5 Jeff Marquez's.

I think Buehrle has earned the right to do what he wants at this point in his career and I'd hope most Sox fans would be ok with it/respect his decision. If he wants to come back to the Sox at a discounted price that would obviously be welcome however if he wants to take a big pay day in Boston or New York and try and win another WS, I understand it. If he wants to jump to the North Side or go down to STL for the convenience and make more $$$ than he'd make with the Sox, I get that too. Buehrle is one of my favorite White Sox players ever and I won't think any less of him if he goes somewhere else.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Oct 22, 2011 -> 01:33 PM) ANibal Sanchez, signed by the Red Sox in 2001. Hanley Ramirez, signed by the Red Sox in 2000. Jon Lester, drafted by the Red Sox in summer 2002. Know what they all have in common? They were all in the Red Sox organization before Theo. And it's impressive that you left the Carl Crawford deal off there. Fine put Crawford on there. I'd still rather have Boston's team and overall organization than ours. Both teams are stuck with some bad paper but the players that Boston has drafted/developed and traded for under Theo's tenure there are much much better then anyone we've drafted/developed in that same time frame. You can't argue that.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Oct 22, 2011 -> 01:20 PM) Yeah...Chairman Reinsdorf needs to clean up the front office and get people in there who know what they're doing. His GM has traded away everyone with talent, not drafted well the last few years, and saddled his team with enormous failed contracts on pitchers and hitters who don't do anything. You know whose example he should follow? Boston. Yeah God forbid we'd have drafted Hanley Ramirez, Anabel Sanchez, Pedroia, Elsbury, Papelbon, Lowrie, Lester, Buckholz, and Bard. You can piss on the Lackey and JD Drew signings all you want, they have 1 more ring then us in the last 7 years and are constantly winning 90 games and giving themselves a chance to win the WS year after year while we're finishing behind Cleveland and trading Gio Gonzalez for Nick Swisher.

QUOTE (gatnom @ Oct 22, 2011 -> 08:09 AM) Obviously, no sane person saw Dunn having the year that he did, but he's not really wrong here. He's brutal. My initial point was that if you look at the Sox 05 team, that team was built by good drafting (MB, Rowand, Crede) and alot of smart signings and smart trades. Since then, KW has tried to sign and trade for big money players and for the most part it's blown up in his face. I'd like to see the Sox start using the formula that won them the WS in 05 again rather than the current one which hasn't worked at all.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Oct 22, 2011 -> 10:54 AM) "Hungry"? And I'll give you a choice...worse FO clusterf***...Boston and their $100 million in Adam Dunn quality contracts, or the Cubs'? Death is not an option. You can hate all you want but I wish JR would do something similar by canning KW and get some guys in our FO that know what the hell they're doing. Our farm system is bad, our drafting has sucked, we're now one of the many teams with awful contracts. I don't get how Sox fans are ok with what's going on with us but then can bash the Cubs by doing the right thing in cleaning house and starting over.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Oct 21, 2011 -> 04:14 PM) If Sox have worst farm system in baseball, there's only one way to retool. Free agency, baby. That's what got us in this mess in the first place. Sox need to start putting more money into drafting, scouting, developing players and less money into fat out of shape DH's who bat .160.

I hate to say it but I love this move by the Cubs. Bringing in some young, hungry and proven baseball guys to try and turn around a whole organization....not just the current team. The more I read about how things were run there, the more I really see what a clusterf*** their FO was in the past. They won't be good overnight but I think they'll be a much improved organization as a whole in a couple years.

Damn, the Cubs are putting together the Voltron of GM's. I'm actually impressed with what the Cubs are doing. They're rehauling the whole organization for the long term, not doing their usual "let's sign an overpriced guy to fill a hole". I wish the Sox would follow their lead and start building from the farm system up again. Having a bad farm system along with cutting payroll and aging players is a recipe for a couple of long years ahead of us. Hopefully KW can land some good young talent to help us out if he winds up dealing a few guys this Winter (CQ, Floyd).

This is one of those games that gets people fired/traded/waived/etc.

I love Thome, but really what sense does this make? I'm sure the Sox will be awarded the claim but I think it's a 50/50 chance we land him. Can't see the Twins just giving him to us.

QUOTE (SpainSOXfan09 @ Aug 3, 2011 -> 08:41 PM) I gotta ask the obvious hilarious question now, are we worse off than the Flubs now as an organization? That would be really bad. If we don't dump some bad contracts in the offseason, we'll be where they are now in 1-2 years. Cubs should've dumped/rebuilt team in 09 when they struggled but were not horrible. Would've been able to move some contracts and get more for guys who were still good then. They didn't and they've paid for it the last 2 years. Sox got to find a way to make this team better. We have a team that would've been great in 2007, not so much now. Too many declining players (JP, Dunn, AJ, Rios, Peavy). KW has got to find a way to dump these guys.

Brutal. Absolutely brutal. What does everyone think the Yankees final run total will be tonight? I'm guessing 18

This might not be the worst thing if some of these moves go down. The Sox can learn from the 09 Cubs. That team was supposed to cruise to the NL Central Crown but like this year's Sox just never got it going. I think they still won somewhere around 83-84 games but THAT was the year they should've unloaded some of their bigger guys and they would've got better value and at the very least been on track to compete again sooner than what they are now. Instead they got very little for Lee and Lilly last year, Zambrano could've been moved then...not now, could've also tried to move a handful of other guys and gotten something in return or been further along in the rebuild. Sox have some older guys now (PK, AJ), guys not as good as they once were (Rios, Dunn, Peavy, Floyd) and a minor league system that from all accounts is very thin. This team might be "Cubs" worse in the next 1-2 years if they don't free up some money, move some bad money and improve the system.

This team is so frustrating. They really are just a slightly more talented version of the Cubs. We have a bunch of overpaid underachievers. If not for our bullpen and PK carrying the team again this 1st half, we'd be out of it by now.

3-3 this week at home vs. the Cubs and Nats is NOT acceptable.

Just hopped on now, any news on when this game is starting up again?

Dammit.