GASHWOUND

QUOTE(toasty @ Jul 1, 2005 -> 12:43 AM) i think quantrill's arm might just be kinda tired after last season Quantrill has really gone down hill..The dude had like an EAR of 1.75 in 03 with the Dodgers and then went to the Yankees and all hell broke loose...some pitchers just can't pitch in that uni...

QUOTE(Kalapse @ Jul 1, 2005 -> 12:37 PM) 2005 Statistical Breakdow, Buehrle Vs. Halladay. Halladay - W:11, L:4, ERA:2.4, CG:5, SHO:2, H:107, BB:16, SO:98, WHIP:0.94, OPSA:.577, BAA:.222, K/BB:5.44, BB/9:1.10, K/9:6.73, H9:7.35 Buehrle - W:10, L:1, ERA:2.42, CG:2, SHO:1, H:110, BB:17, SO:79, WHIP:1.04, OPSA:.594, BAA:.242, K/BB:4.16 BB/9:1.25, K/9: 5.80, H9:8.07 I'm just wondering if anyone can look at these stats and tell me that Buehrle is more deserving than Halladay. It's ultra close in EVER SINGLE category. So it really is a toss up, however if you really want the more deserving pitcher to start you have to go with Halladay. Just for the record as a Sox fan I would love to see Buehrle start the AS game but as a Baseball fan I just can't rationalize it. Normally I would say Halladay should start, but Buehrle is the ACE of the staff with the best team in baseball, so that should count for something..

QUOTE(Heads22 @ Jul 1, 2005 -> 02:28 PM) I was talking to Spiff on AIM, and the thought came up.... Does it seem like we are seeing a ton more opposite field home runs than the last few years? Does it seem like the Sox are (gasp) making a concerted effort to go the opposite way? Agreed..Look at Pods..the dude had 12 home runs last year and he's made a conscious effort to alleviate that..0 HRs cause he's trying to go the opposite field..You will rarely see him fly out far to right..AJ has hit a few HRs to the opposite field, which i don't think he was trying to hot HRs, but it it hard.. I think the only one you could make a case for swinging hard is Uribe, but that's the way he swings...There's absolutely a nay chance of the team swinging for the fences cause Ozzie would've put the kibosh on that s***.

QUOTE(Soxnbears01 @ Jul 1, 2005 -> 02:13 PM) i KNOW there are many that are thinking along the same line as you right now. People have gotten fed up. As I am..The Jabronism in game threads is sorta gettin kinda sickening..Everytime I want to join in on game threads I read posts from jabroni, milkman and such and want to pull my hair out...gets me angry and that tends to lead me to argue and then it goes down from there..So i don't even bother going into game threads anymore.. Spiff was right, there are a hell of alot more posters that seem to think in a rational manner then the bad ones, but the bad ones are able to levitate themselves into a more prominent manner in game threads and other threads.. Basically they annoy the hell out of you to get you to notice them...

QUOTE(Jabroni @ Jun 28, 2005 -> 11:48 PM) I said and I quote, "our offense is a concern though." Would you like to cry some more about someone making a simple and fair comment? Yeah, I made my statement cause of that one comment you made... :rolly

QUOTE(Dam8610 @ Jun 28, 2005 -> 11:41 PM) Next time anyone goes to the Urinal, use it as one. Yeah, you'll just blend in with the crowd...although I think now its a requirement

QUOTE(WHarris1 @ Jun 28, 2005 -> 11:43 PM) We are all dumber after reading that. Good not lucky pitchers get out of man on 3rd no out jams. That's the dumbest f***ing thing I've ever heard. Hermanson was pure luck I suppose? Wow.... GOOD teams win one run games, s***ty teams lose them. It's really f***ing simple. It's called having a pen, it's called having a clutch offense, it's called having people that now how to win. :fyou And you're right, I do feel a bit dumber after reading that...

QUOTE(ptatc @ Jun 28, 2005 -> 11:09 PM) Wow that is pathetic. It's just a statue of a very good player and a great human being who the jerk who took it probably never heard of. As I said, it's a sad state for some people in the world if this is what they consider fun. It must have been real early when they let the people in the park Sunday. Jeez, nobody noticed someone was messing with the statue...What, we need surveillance now to watch the statues..damn

QUOTE(ptatc @ Jun 28, 2005 -> 11:29 PM) Yes, he should. Unless the bone is fractured, he should take the pain xylocaine injection to kill the pain take maybe a day off and get back out there. Short of major injury, a major league player doesn't need much time off. By the way the 4-6 month crack was only half serious. Jeez, aren't you the manly man

QUOTE(Steff @ Jun 28, 2005 -> 01:45 PM) Is it hot outside! The car thermometer said 102 here in Hillside. I can only imagine what it is out in Plainfield where it's usually 5 to 8 degrees hotter. And they say tomorrow will be worse. Well try doing labor in the temperature..not fun at all..I was gonna run onto a street and get hit by a car so I can lay in a nice cool hospital... What I need is a nice cushy desk job..

QUOTE(ptatc @ Jun 28, 2005 -> 11:06 PM) True, but most people don't get a 4-6 month vacation at the end of the work year. And the point is? We're talkin within the season..What is the use of a player getting hit by a 95 MPH pitch 2 times a week or fouling a pitch off you shin 3 times a week, running into wall at 20 MPH and so on in May or June.. I guess when a player fouls a pitch off the shin this month he could say, we..at least I have 4 months off at the end of the year..

QUOTE(Milkman delivers @ Jun 28, 2005 -> 11:04 PM) This has nothing to do with you, Gashwound, but I have to say this. Around here, it's one extreme or the other. Either every pitcher that does well against us "had a good game" or "our offense sucked ass." I find it hard to believe either way. It's weird to think that our offense could suck so frequently, but it's also weird to think that a lot of pitchers seem to have a career-best performances against us. The last month or so our offensive has improved..we've average prob close to 5 runs a game...the last 3 games we've faced Maddux, Prior, and Robertson who came in with a decent 3/1/2 ERA... But around here it is one extrme or the other...Hermy has a couple bad games we need a new closer, or someone is slumping we need to make trades and such.. Why is it a bad thing to take things in perpective and not jump to "one extrme or the other" or to be jabroniesque as i like to call it..

QUOTE(Jabroni @ Jun 28, 2005 -> 10:24 PM) Our offense is a concern though. should you proclaim a concern after only a 3 game slump? sheesh You wait and see what the offense is like the next week or so and maybe make an assessment, but I'm not gonna be concerned with the good pitching we've been facing..If we get shutout by a rookie or someone who's ERA is up around infinity..then maybe..but waaaay to early

QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Jun 28, 2005 -> 10:16 PM) 9 strikeouts from Nate Roberston. Wow thank God I was working and not watching this game. Well its nice to see that it was just facing a 300 game winner and facing Prior that was keeping our offense down. So what was the story tonight, swinging for the fences, not working the count, pulling the baseball like madmen. Thank God Buerhle is a stud. This offense needs to start to click a bit more when they dont face the rockies or royals. These guys have got to string a few hits together. Credes awsome June lasted 2 weeks. Nate Robertson was pitching good is the story tonight...He pitched a complete game shut out his last start against the Twins..Its not like we were facing a nobody..We've just faced some really good pitching... And although Crede has been a bust with the bad with the low AVG, he's still a stud on the defensive side and last time I checked there is more to baseball then an offensive side of it.

Good article by A's closer Huston Street. Fans seem to think the players are part machine out there and when they look lethargic or maybe don't look so good they can't seem to fathom on how that player is feeling and jump all over that player. Why the heck wasn't he running out that ball??? Why the f*** does Hermy looks so flat??? and on and on. http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/stor...ston&id=2096414

What the heck is wrong with you??!?! A positive thread..hit the road jack..

QUOTE(BobDylan @ Jun 26, 2005 -> 04:24 PM) Probably the worst series we've played all year. and that's including a game where we won by 10..that's hard to do

I wonder if Ozuna should get a bonus from keeping us from absolute futility..

Damn...well, that sucked

No bunting in this sit..we're down by 2..we need another runner..can't give out outs

QUOTE(DonkeyKongerko @ Jun 26, 2005 -> 04:11 PM) I know you can't win every game but I really thought Ozzie/Smartball would get us a run or two against a good pitcher in a tough pitcher's duel. Playoff games are going to be like this too. We haven't had an opportunity to play "smallball" We need people on base to do something... We just have been pretty much dominated..Happens

QUOTE(Milkman delivers @ Jun 26, 2005 -> 04:09 PM) I hate when this s*** happens. Now I can't even watch Sportscenter or BBTN because I can't stand to see this s*** again. This is the first time in a while where I've been completely ashamed of this team. This game was a disgrace, an absolute disgrace. Now that's pathetic..ashamed of the team? :headshake

QUOTE(Kalapse @ Jun 26, 2005 -> 03:39 AM) Is this a paper printing old Torii Hunter quotes or is Hunter saying this s*** again? He said this stuff on Friday..didn't you read it?

Also from same paper http://www.startribune.com/stories/509/5475413.html History says Twins in trouble Baseball history is filled with examples of amazing comebacks the Twins could have pointed to Wednesday night, when they fell 10 games behind the Chicago White Sox in the American League Central. In 1951, the New York Giants trailed the Brooklyn Dodgers by 13½ games on Aug. 11 but roared back to force a one-game playoff, setting the stage for Bobby Thompson's home run. In 1969, the New York Mets erased a 9½-game deficit over the final seven weeks against the Chicago Cubs to win the NL East and eventually the World Series. In 1978, the New York Yankees trailed the Boston Red Sox by 14 games on July 19 but came back to leave a generation of Red Sox fans cursing Bucky Dent. But to their credit, the Twins have been so concerned about their own play of late, they haven't let Chicago's amazing success bother them too much. "I can't even worry about those guys," Twins center fielder Torii Hunter said. "They're in another world right now." Things can obviously change quickly. By doing nothing but winning, Chicago increased its lead over the Twins from four games to 10 games in just more than a week. History says building that big of a lead in June should result in an AL Central title. According to the Elias Sports Bureau, the White Sox became the 27th team since 1901 to take a 10-game lead atop their division or league in June. And here's the part that should make a Twins fan gulp: All 26 of the others went on to win those respective titles. In other words, unless the Twins plan to make like the 1978 Yankees -- who trailed the Red Sox by nine games at the end of June -- they might as well focus on the wild-card race. Entering Friday, the Twins (39-32) trailed the Red Sox by 1½ games in the wild-card race. Here's a closer look at the teams they could be fighting for that final playoff berth, with records through Friday: Boston Red Sox (42-30) • Why they're dangerous: The defending World Series champs hope to have Curt Schilling back from his ankle injury by mid-July. Boston GM Theo Epstein showed a deft touch at the trade deadline last year, so he'll likely address whatever weaknesses this team has, presumably in the bullpen. • Why they could stumble: If Schilling and David Wells can't stay healthy, things could get dicey. But the bet here says the Red Sox will make the playoffs. The question is, will another AL East team be joining them again in October? Baltimore Orioles (42-31) • Why they're dangerous: They have led the AL East most of the season, and they've sustained injuries to Javy Lopez, Erik Bedard, Luis Matos and now Melvin Mora. • Why they could stumble: When the Red Sox and Yankees were really struggling, the Orioles might have missed a chance to build a bigger cushion. Baltimore has a better farm system than the Yankees, but will the Orioles deal from their strengths to add a top starting pitcher (such as Jason Schmidt or Barry Zito) for the stretch? New York Yankees (37-36) • Why they're dangerous: As bad as they've looked, they are George Steinbrenner's Yankees, and all signs point to them trading for Oakland center fielder Mark Kotsay or whatever expensive parts they need to fix the leaks. • Why they could stumble: They've been nothing if not inconsistent. After going 3-9 on a trip to Kansas City, Minnesota, Milwaukee and St. Louis, they won six in a row against the Pirates and the Cubs. Then, they lost three of four against the Devil Rays this week. Cleveland Indians (37-34) • Why they're dangerous: They have hit better than when they started the season 12-18, and it has shown off a bullpen that leads baseball with a 2.72 ERA. • Why they could stumble: Cleveland GM Mark Shapiro will obviously go for it if he feels his team has a chance, but back in April he hinted that the club might be a year away. So the path would have to be clear for this team to alter its long-term plan for a trade that can help it win this year. Texas Rangers (37-34) • Why they're dangerous: With Mark Teixeira and Alfonso Soriano, the Rangers rank among the league leaders in runs scored. And Kenny Rogers and Chris Young give them a potent 1-2 duo atop their rotation. • Why they could stumble: So many Rangers teams have stumbled in the late-summer Texas heat. The pitching staff probably isn't deep enough to keep them in it for 162 games. Detroit Tigers (35-35) • Why they're dangerous: They have been winning, and within the next couple of weeks they could get All-Star shortstop Carlos Guillen and outfielder Magglio Ordonez back from the disabled list. Jeremy Bonderman also looks like a budding ace. • Why they could stumble: The starting pitching is still so young, it's hard to fathom them having the kind of August and September it would take to reach the playoffs, at least this year. Toronto Blue Jays (37-37) • Why they're dangerous: Roy Halladay has returned to his Cy Young form, and after struggling the first two months, lefty Ted Lilly is starting to look like the All-Star he was a year ago. • Why they could stumble: After years of trying to trim payroll, the Blue Jays have money to spend. But GM J.P. Ricciardi only plans to use it on an expensive trade if the team has a legitimate chance to make it. Short hops • Entering Saturday, the AL Central was 40-21 against the NL West this season. It would have been better had the Twins not gone 5-7 against the Diamondbacks, Dodgers, Giants and Padres. • Roger Clemens has a 1.51 ERA -- the lowest it has been through 15 starts in his 22-year career. • The Washington Nationals entered Saturday averaging 32,052 fans per game and reportedly are on pace to turn a $20 million profit. Major League Baseball still owns the club, but GM Jim Bowden will get permission to add payroll for a deadline deal.

Wow, Hunter given us props..who'd of thunk.. http://www.startribune.com/stories/509/5476366.html Jim Souhan: If you ask Hunter, Twins can't catch White Sox Jim Souhan, Star Tribune June 26, 2005 MILWAUKEE -- Torii Hunter is mounting a one-man campaign for Twins hope this month. His three homers against the Brewers on Friday and Saturday, along with his latest Spiderman-quality catch in the Metrodome, argue that he'll never concede the division title, but words speak louder than actions. Hunter, the Twins' center fielder, sounds like he's waving a white flag at the White Sox. Considering his history of concussing their catchers and repossessing their home runs, the Sox may have never received such high, or unexpected, praise. "We can't keep up with the White Sox -- they're ripping through everybody," Hunter said. "They've got the best record in the major leagues. If people say we need to keep up with the White Sox, then we've got no chance. "All we can do is keep playing ball, and we'll try to sneak that wild card out of there." Hunter told me all this late Friday. The Twin had suffered another one of their maddening, hit-deprived losses. As the Twins have skidded, Hunter has surged. If the Twins were playing well enough to gather national recognition, he'd be on the minds of All-Star voters. After his annual slow start, he leads the team in homers, RBI, steals and rib-bruising catches. It pains him to admit that the White Sox may have slipped out of reach, but he sees in the Sox many of the same traits -- pitching, fielding, grit and resourcefulness -- that marked the Twins' run of division championships. "We've got some young guys," Hunter said. "That is the hand we've been dealt, and we've got to deal with it, no matter what. We can use it as an excuse, but I still think we can go out there and win. "But with the inexperience we've got, it's tough. I still think we're doing a pretty good job with what we've got, but we've won the division three times. "I'm spoiled. I want to win it again." The first thing a visitor to the Twins' clubhouse on Friday afternoon saw was Twins players watching the White Sox blow out the Cubs, for their eighth consecutive victory. The Twins kept looking up from their card games to curse the TV set and Cubs pitchers. On Saturday afternoon, Twins manager Ron Gardenhire held his daily news briefing in his office, and as he talked, Carl Everett and Jermaine Dye hit homers. "You just keep shaking your head," Gardenhire said. "Why watch? I'd rather watch golf." So Gardenhire flipped around the channels, landing on a movie called "Forces of Nature." The Twins must think that's the title of a documentary on the 2005 White Sox. "They're just running on streaks, winning six and seven and eight in a row, and you sit there and wonder if they'll ever lose a ballgame," Gardenhire said. "We can't do anything about it. They just don't seem to be doing too much wrong." There are a few reasons to think the Twins could pull off one of the most dramatic comebacks in recent baseball history. The teams have 13 games left between Aug. 15 and Sept. 25, so if the Twins could climb to within, say, six games of first place by early August, they'd have a fighting chance. But a realist would assess the Twins' condition thusly: • The Red Sox look poised to run away with the AL East. The Orioles could collapse, meaning the Twins' main wild-card competition from the East could come from the floundering Yankees. • Cleveland and perhaps Detroit could threaten the Twins in the wild-card race. The teams have talent, but neither exactly sends shivers down Twins' spines. • The Angels should pull away in the West, and the Rangers lack pitching depth. Because a wild-card team has won the past three World Series, maybe the Twins should look at it this way: They're not trailing the White Sox. They're leading the Yanks. "It's sad, for us to be this far behind Chicago, but they're doing what they're supposed to do, and we can't do anything about it," Hunter said. "I hate that, because I'm with the Twins and I want to win, but they're playing good ball. We can't touch them." Hunter sighed, inserted an earring and shook his head, saying once more for emphasis, "We can't touch those boys right now."