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QUOTE (JoshPR @ Sep 3, 2012 -> 08:53 PM) Is there a game Thornton has not given up a run lately? Tonight was the best he's looked in awhile.

I guess Vic doesn't like the ball in the strike zone.

QUOTE (2nd_city_saint787 @ Sep 3, 2012 -> 08:40 PM) Wonder if those other teams b**** as much as some of the guys on here...youre not gonna have a team full of studs in the pen. Love the Rally Staches, glad Myers joined in. Go talk to Angel fans. The Sox would lead the league in blown saves if it weren't for them.

QUOTE (2nd_city_saint787 @ Sep 3, 2012 -> 08:22 PM) Way to go Matt. You guys expect far too much outta bullpen guys. Jesse has a sub 3 ERA and Matts 3.50 is respectable as well Baseball is full of bullpen guys with a 3 era.

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QUOTE (The Ginger Kid @ Sep 3, 2012 -> 08:13 PM) Crain + Thonton = not good Ron Gardenhire disagrees.

Crain usually settles down after giving up the lead.

Might be a gift there.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 3, 2012 -> 07:44 PM) I never realized that being mentally weak could cause your shoulder to detach. Really insignificant to that post. Did his shoulder detach this year?

Good news-Mauer didn't get a chance to hit it out.

QUOTE (Real @ Sep 3, 2012 -> 06:37 PM) weird that he stopped throwing his breaking ball Interesting last night I heard commentators calling whatever Sale was throwing- a swurve some say it was a slider.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Sep 3, 2012 -> 06:31 PM) That pretty much flies in Marty34's theory that we should dump Alexei Ramirez, since he's been one of the most "productive" SS in the AL, leading the league at his position in RBI's despite hitting for a lot less power. I know it's a long shot but just maybe we can trade him for Juan Pierre so he can platoon with Viciedo.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Sep 3, 2012 -> 06:24 PM) GAS. He gone. Why did it take RV and Cooper so long to figure out he was SUPPOSED to be a starter, not a short reliever or LOOGY? Granted, this Twins' line-up isn't exactly going to scare much of anyone in baseball, but they're pesky and have been hotter in the 2nd half of the season. Wow. 95 MPH. Wish Sale had that velocity yesterday to keep the hitters more honest. Of course. Start praising someone and they give up a bomb to Jamey Carroll. Battle of light hitting 2B tonight. They really need FLoyd back to mess with the 6 man rotation.

QUOTE (hammerhead johnson @ Sep 3, 2012 -> 05:48 PM) None of that has anything to do with your original point. You're killing me, dude. You said that Peavy is no Buehrle based on their career stats, when in fact, Peavy waxes Buehrle pretty badly in significant categories like K/9, K-to-BB, WHIP, etc. When you're striking out a ton of folks and issuing very few walks, it doesn't really matter where you pitch, correct? You can't support your original statement, because it's ludicrous. If you really tried, it would be laughable. You'd probably even have the nerve to mention W/L records. Appearances and innings. W/L are also important. Sometimes they tell more truth than people admit that you won't see in a stat book. A .500 pitcher with great stats on a bad team still turns out to be a .500 pitcher on a good team. Peavy's hyped hasn't rubbed off on the Sox. More like their mental midgetry has worn off on Peavy. Peavy=bad return on value. What more can I really say.

QUOTE (hammerhead johnson @ Sep 3, 2012 -> 05:52 PM) You're telling me that Peavy strikes you as the type of guy who gets rattled when the pressure is on, like a Greinke or Javy Vazquez? Not buying it. Everybody has bad games when the pressure is on. It's not like San Diego was a perennial playoff contender, so he didn't get much of an opportunity to do anything. And just consider for a minute that you're being exactly like those people who criticize Frank Thomas for not being able to hit in the playoffs. It seems that way. He's just another one of the Sox veterans that don't show up for a big game. Maybe I expect too much from a guy making $16M a year.

QUOTE (BlackBetsy @ Sep 3, 2012 -> 05:48 PM) <!--quoteo(post=2688839:date=Sep 3, 2012 -> 06:11 PM:name=hammerhead johnson)-->QUOTE (hammerhead johnson @ Sep 3, 2012 -> 06:11 PM) <!--quotec-->Sick burn, bro! So, the two playoff games from 2004/2005, plus the Friday game = Peavy is not a big game pitcher. So, the sample size went from 2 to 3. That's what you're banking on? other exhibits July 20 vs. Tigers Oct. 1, 2007 while Padres were just 1 game back Despite being a small sample size I wonder how much the organization even pays attention to stats like this. Remember the Mark Teahen deal? Only because he could beat the White Sox. They ignored that he was just really bad at baseball.

QUOTE (hammerhead johnson @ Sep 3, 2012 -> 05:11 PM) Sick burn, bro! So, the two playoff games from 2004/2005, plus the Friday game = Peavy is not a big game pitcher. So, the sample size went from 2 to 3. That's what you're banking on? No. From the beginning it's based on contract value vs. return. Guy's are not valuable on the DL. Innings and appearance are just as important. Mark B was good at that. I hate to use him as an example because it would confuse some in thinking we should have kept him. Plus Peavy's good years he didn't have to face a DH. Even with this season it's a bad contract and he's not worth even half of his option for next year. He seems to fall in line with the other veterans on this team and fail in important situations. I don't think he's beaten the Tigers this season. He's failed to live up to the hype. Sports are full of great performers until it's crunch time. (See Mike Vanderjagt). Some people become household names because of post season performance. (See Bucky Dent).

QUOTE (hammerhead johnson @ Sep 3, 2012 -> 05:06 PM) Yeah, I was convinced that Peavy is no Mark Buehrle because of the one game. I'm still waiting for you to say something that actually makes sense. Literacy can works wonders. I'll see if I can find a reading specialist for you.

QUOTE (hammerhead johnson @ Sep 3, 2012 -> 04:59 PM) That's 2 career starts in the playoffs. You might have a little sample size issue with that. Plenty of good pitchers get pounded by the Tigers. Didn't Friday night convince you enough? The most winnable game of the series.

QUOTE (BlackBetsy @ Sep 3, 2012 -> 04:54 PM) To be fair, Jake Peavy turns into a quivering pile of Javy Vazquez when it's a big game. (12.10 career postseason ERA. .849 OPS against vs. the Tigers) You didn't even have to cherry pick that one. Oooooooooooovaaaaaaaa rated.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Sep 3, 2012 -> 04:47 PM) To be fair, Jake has spent a large portion of his career on the DL. Fixed. #54 No contest.

QUOTE (Jake @ Sep 3, 2012 -> 04:27 PM) Even those small sample size (like his good numbers) are those of a rotation staple. This is all at age 23...have to like some of the upside to improve, get smarter, etc. I've found that if you acknowledge the worst case possibility with pitchers, you'll never, ever feel good about your staff. You have to consider every possibility. Sale, Danks, Quintana is likely a very good start to a rotation for next season. Throw a Floyd, Peavy, Liriano, or someone else with a good track record and its pretty damn good. If not, KW can work his magic for us On the SCORE they once mentioned the Sox have a winning record when he doesn't have a quality start.

QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Sep 3, 2012 -> 03:19 PM) My wife won't let me go... something about airfafre, hotel, meals, etc But, someday soon IO hope. Meantime you guys go and cheer extra hard. Make Marty buy I was lucky last year to catch a Sox game at Chase Field. My brother has a friend who had D-Back season tickets 7th row down 3rd. We got to see Jackson vs. Hudson. I live really close to the Sox ST facility. There's very little shade and March weather can be unpredictable.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 3, 2012 -> 03:37 PM) Depending on where you park, there's not a lot of traffic to fight. Once you get onto the highway at night on Labor Day, you're set. Or public transit. I don't think there is a such thing on 1-55 on any day or night. I don't live there anymore and probably would have spent money on a Jackhammer's game. I use to get a Guiness and nachos for $10.

QUOTE (mr_genius @ Sep 3, 2012 -> 03:47 PM) Wrigley is a big tourist attraction too. A lot people there probably aren't even baseball fans, let a lone care if the Cubs win. Yep. If you are into old parks that's a place to go. What's the chances of that being destroyed or Fenway? The sad thing is I've been to Wrigley more than the Cell. But then was when the Cubs had guys like Sutcliff. I was going to go to a Sox/Twins game back in the Manuel era but the lowest price ticket was $25. You could go see Peyton Manning, Edgirrin James and Marvin Harrison at the RCA Dome for $15. There's something wrong with that picture. Sometimes I think Sox fans don't like or trust Reinsdorf. That is probably more ignorance but it's hard to nail why the Sox draw like a 3rd market team. Maybe they could stop b****ing about attendance for a start. There's also "we'll make the team better if you show up". Owners lie about that. See Bud Selig. Could you see a Domino's commercial, "We'll make our pizza better only if you order more"?