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Crosstown Cup Game Thread, Game 2
Thad Bosley replied to InTheDriversSeat's topic in 2016 Season in Review
QUOTE (JUSTgottaBELIEVE @ Jul 26, 2016 -> 06:51 PM) This is one of the best offenses in the NL? Not impressed. Shields jacked, love it Good pitching has a way of shutting down good hitting. -
QUOTE (Baron @ Jul 23, 2016 -> 01:56 PM) http://sportsday.dallasnews.com/texas-rang...m-chicago-tampa We have been scouting Texas Jon Heyman is right that White Sox want 5 prime prospects for Chris Sale....Nomar Mazara is on their wish list here https://twitter.com/Sullivan_Ranger/status/...940496233172996 Moving in the right direction.
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QUOTE (dmbjeff @ Jul 23, 2016 -> 01:20 PM) Sale and Q's value are at all time highs now, now is the time to strike and rebuild. You then can get rid of all the other vet's and get good prospects for them as well. I'd say goodbye to Frazier, Melky, Lawrie, Duke, Robertson. Heck even Eaton and Abreu could go. I really hope Hahn does the right thing and fixes this mess that KW has created. Without a doubt.
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QUOTE (Lip Man 1 @ Jul 21, 2016 -> 11:56 AM) The best move they can make and the FIRST move is for JR to s***can most of the folks on the baseball side and bring in people from winning organizations to look at the many Sox problems with a fresh set of eyes and new ideas. Mark 30 years ago, Reinsdorf actually did something very similar to what you are prescribing. When Hawk resigned as GM after the '86 season, Reinsdorf reached into the Angels orgnanization to hire Larry Himes to be the next GM, who came in and essentially rid the organization of most of the folks that Hawk had brought in the year prior. Himes then brought in a guy by the name of Al Goldis, who I believe also hailed from the Halos organization, to lead the player development program. Together they did bring a "fresh set of eyes and new ideas" to the organization, particularly related to developing from within. Also, prior to Hawk's one year as GM, the Sox had been generally managed by Roland Hemond for about 15 or 16 years, so Himes coming in from the Angels was absolutely a different approach than what the organization had experienced for quite some time back then. Himes ended up doing a lot of good things in the four years he was with the team, bringing in a boat load of solid, young talent, both through the draft as well as via trade. His apparent problem was he was a big, 'ol meanie to deal and work with, so he ended up getting the boot from Reinsdorf. But to Reinsdorf's credit (how often do we ever get to say that!), at least back then, there was a instance where Reinsdorf looked outside the White Sox family for resources from another organization to come in and run his shop. He's done it before. Now the question is, 30 years later at the ripe,, 'ol age of 80, can he/would he do it again? We shall see.
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Timing is everything. We appear to be a very good match on a few fronts with Texas right now, with the Sox as sellers (as if there was any question about that at this point). Jurickson Profar would look magnificent in Sox stripes matched up the middle with Tim Anderson for the next several years.
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QUOTE (miracleon35th @ Jul 20, 2016 -> 09:09 PM) Any interview with Sox hater Dan Bernstein is going to have a lot of negativity toward the White Sox. Stone and Benetti are terribly annoying so among the changes, they both need to go. Steve Stone should not go anywhere. As a paid employee of the White Sox, coupled with his renowned solid understanding of all aspects of the game both on and off the field, it is always very refreshing to hear his honest appraisals of the Sox. He is both respectful and constructive in his commentary. I was glad he reupped for the foreseeable future in the booth last offseason.
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QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 18, 2016 -> 09:59 PM) I don't have to try. You already lost. Your standard, one track mind post doesn't work here, but keep making yourself look bad. Your understanding of all of this is so stunningly superficial, it's becoming embarrassing to read your drivel at this point. But keep going, because the facts will always beat out your weak attempts to deflect.
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QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 18, 2016 -> 09:48 PM) Not necessarily. I really don't know but the guy's net worth shot up over $1 billion in a year. I guess the big money kicked in on year 24 of the lease. You,really are making a fool of yourself now. Nothing about the Bulls being worth $2.3 billion, more than double the Sox even with the lease that guarantees you billions, has anything to do with JR's net worth. Your wafer thin argument doesn't hold, but nice try.
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QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 18, 2016 -> 10:30 PM) Speaking of lying... There must be some awesome stadium deals out there because there are 15 teams worth more than the White Sox. I know you ignored it completely, but WAY more of JR's net work comes from the Chicago Bulls, which he owns almost all of, versus the White Sox, of which he is a minority share holder. Do the Bulls operate under a sweetheart lease deal, and have they since the United Center came into being, such that Reinsdorf enjoys the trappings of all of the revenues of that stadium but little to none of the expenses? Because that's what your hero Mr. Reinsdorf unscrupulously secured for himself with the deal with the state back in '88 for the Sox' stadium, and from which he's profited IMMENSELY over the past 25 years. Massive revenue that comes from a Major League Baseball stadium, but no expense. Pure profit for 25 years now. That's the primary reason Reinsdorf is a billionaire today. You can choose to ignore that all you want, but that's the facts, Jack. It's as simple as that.
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QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 18, 2016 -> 06:38 PM) I know you will refuse to admit you are wrong, but here is something explaining the Forbes list and explaining how JRs net worth skyrocketed, not due toa 25 year old lease, but on the sale of the Clippers. Looking at the Internet before the sale his net worth was estimated between $280 million and $350 million. http://www.magazine.org/industry-news/pres...lionaires-issue LOL - oh, so NOW you believe the Forbes list. Earlier today you were very dismissive of their information, but now you are citing it because you think it somehow defends your wrong position on this matter. Pick a side and stick with it, wouldja!!
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Wait....when other teams go through long periods of failure, they clean house and bring in people with different approaches and strategies? Interesting...
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QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 18, 2016 -> 02:13 PM) I doubt JR gave Forbes any information regarding his finances. Whether or not he is a billionaire we really don't know. Not even his partners know how much of the White Sox he owns. I don't know about the Bulls but considering they are now valued at $2.3 billion, it's probably safe to assume he has a ton of money on paper. I would imagine most of us would like to trade bank accounts with him as well, but that is an estimate which may be accurate and may not be accurate. Yeah, you're probably right. It's probably way lower than what he's actually worth.
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QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 18, 2016 -> 02:02 PM) His billionaire status if true doesn't have much to do with the lease. The guy who bought the Clippers made JR a billionaire on paper. But I guess that was a detail you wanted to ignore. LOL - boy, you'll throw anything against the wall and hope it'll stick, won't you? This is one of your better or weaker attempts, depending on how you look at it. Let me spell it out for you - 25 years of getting all of the revenues with practically none of the expenses associated with a Major League Baseball stadium is going to go a long ways towards establishing billionaire status in this world. A long ways! Gotta hand it to the 'ol SOB - he knew what he was doing back in the '80s when he pulled this scheme off with the new stadium. He's a billionaire today as a result.
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QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 18, 2016 -> 02:02 PM) His billionaire status if true doesn't have much to do with the lease. The guy who bought the Clippers made JR a billionaire on paper. But I guess that was a detail you wanted to ignore. http://www.forbes.com/profile/jerry-reinsdorf/
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QUOTE (La Marr Hoyt HOF @ Jul 18, 2016 -> 01:21 PM) Reinsdorf being all about the money, why doesn't a rebuild make sense? Keeping a decent product on field obviously isn't drawing any fans in the seats, especially with the northsiders being good. Cut payroll, fan attendance stays roughly the same, give it a shot ..... Better from a monetary perspective for JR & Co. Under the (sweetheart lease) deal, the Sox didn't have to pay a fee for use of the stadium until 2008. In 2015, that fee amounted to about $1.6 million. The Sox also must pay a fee on each ticket sold in excess of 1.93 million in paid attendance. Since 2008, the Sox have paid that fee only in 2010, when games drew 2.2 million fans. However, the Sox were allowed to apply a credit based on the taxes the team paid that year, reducing the ticket fee payment from $455,974 to $95,531. "The White Sox didn't have that much of an incentive to really pack the place," Sanderson said. http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-sox-...0521-story.html Before sweetheart lease deal = Reinsdorf NOT a billionaire. 25 years later after state subsidization per sweetheart lease terms = Reinsdorf net worth of $1.3 billion So as you can see, you are right - Reinsdorf is all about the money, if you care to pay attention to the details of the sweetheart lease deal he got rammed down the taxpayers' throats back in 1988, and from which he's been reaping the benefits BIG TIME for the past 25 years. But because he gets subsidized for low attendance, he could easily go in for a full rebuild and his pocketbook would never know the difference. Amazing what little tidbits of information you find lying in the details!
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QUOTE (gosoxgo2005 @ Jul 18, 2016 -> 09:11 AM) I really, really do not like Gallo. Swings and misses way, way too much. I know it's just me and he's highly regarded, but I hate hitters that are boom or bust. Agreed. Jurickson Profar is the guy you target if talking to Texas about Q.
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QUOTE (FT35 @ Jul 18, 2016 -> 08:16 AM) Same thought here. Minor sell. You don't need to do anything drastic. We are a .500 team, we're not going to really contend, but there are some nice pieces in place for the next couple of years. I think you can move Robertson at the VERY least and get something you can use this year or next. Don't like to trade the guy, he's done a respectful job, but he has value outside of what we can use. A lot can change with the playoff picture in 2 weeks though...we might not see a deal until the last day. I still believe the Sox can make a run THIS YEAR without Robertson. Jones is capable and the rest of the team is in tact. Spend the rest of the summer developing players for next year while still in a somewhat mindful Wild Card race (that will likely NOT happen for us--with or without Robertson). The Sox CANNOT and WILL NOT make a run this year with a team that is a cat whisker away from having the worst offense in the entire league (for the second straight year, I might add). Shockingly, the dumpster dive moves from last winter to upgrade the offense haven't panned out, and thus the team is essentially in the same boat offensively as it was this time last year. And that, ladies and gentleman, will not get this team to the playoffs...for the eighth straight year.
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7/17 Game Thread: @ Anaheim, 2:35pm, WGN
Thad Bosley replied to Chicago White Sox's topic in 2016 Season in Review
One run in the last 40 innings. Yikes. -
7/17 Game Thread: @ Anaheim, 2:35pm, WGN
Thad Bosley replied to Chicago White Sox's topic in 2016 Season in Review
QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 17, 2016 -> 04:48 PM) Way to contradict yourself within a single post Yeah, how so? -
7/17 Game Thread: @ Anaheim, 2:35pm, WGN
Thad Bosley replied to Chicago White Sox's topic in 2016 Season in Review
Sox baseball so bad right now, Hawk has to resort to digging up Mark Buehrle stats and talking about him. -
7/17 Game Thread: @ Anaheim, 2:35pm, WGN
Thad Bosley replied to Chicago White Sox's topic in 2016 Season in Review
QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 17, 2016 -> 04:05 PM) The first two of which Kenny Williams even used the term "rebuilding" to describe. How'd that rebuild go, btw? What did they actually rebuild during those two years? -
7/17 Game Thread: @ Anaheim, 2:35pm, WGN
Thad Bosley replied to Chicago White Sox's topic in 2016 Season in Review
QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 17, 2016 -> 04:05 PM) The first two of which Kenny Williams even used the term "rebuilding" to describe. That's not true at all. The team did not enter 2013 claiming it was a rebuilding year. The Sox had just come off being in first place for most of the 2012 season, so there was no such talk about rebuilding right after that. Then the first three to four months of that wretched 2013 happened, and that's when they started unloading veterans like Peavy and Rios, midway through that year. -
7/17 Game Thread: @ Anaheim, 2:35pm, WGN
Thad Bosley replied to Chicago White Sox's topic in 2016 Season in Review
QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Jul 17, 2016 -> 04:02 PM) Hahn is a good solid baseball man. He is not the problem No? Who is then? Reinsdorf? Williams? Both? Neither, it's the players? Who or what is the problem with the state of our Sox? -
7/17 Game Thread: @ Anaheim, 2:35pm, WGN
Thad Bosley replied to Chicago White Sox's topic in 2016 Season in Review
QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 17, 2016 -> 03:48 PM) This current team is so outclassed. Why do you want them to stand still and hope they win 82 games. What we have seen the last two years is baseball hell. Four years. The last four years. -
7/17 Game Thread: @ Anaheim, 2:35pm, WGN
Thad Bosley replied to Chicago White Sox's topic in 2016 Season in Review
QUOTE (flavum @ Jul 17, 2016 -> 02:56 PM) Sale: 7-18 at Sea 7-23 vs Det 7-28 at Cubs 8-3 at Det 8-9 at KC 8-14 at Mia 8-20 vs Oak 8-26 vs Sea 8-31 at Det 9-5 vs Det 9-11 vs KC 9-16 at KC 9-21 at Phi 9-27 vs TB 10-2 vs Min (probably not starting) I'm worried about the 80% of the remaining schedule that doesn't feature Chris Sale.
