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QUOTE(fathom @ Jun 2, 2005 -> 03:47 PM) Great, so we have the next Bobby Knight (off the field, of course)? There's a big difference between making a joke out of it like Jim More of Herm Edwards.....or being a dick about it like Bobby Knight. So who would you prefer a manager that is incompetent but is a total good goody two shoes to the media, or a manager that is a total prick, but does his job well?

QUOTE(fathom @ Jun 2, 2005 -> 03:42 PM) Jay Witasick on Colorado has looked pretty sharp this season. Didn't they sign him as a major league free agent as well? Strickland would have been nice as a possible call-up, but I think the Astros signed him.

One of my buddies says the word "Shattered" way too often. For me ummm, I dunno actually. Would have to think about it for a while longer........

QUOTE(sox-r-us @ Jun 2, 2005 -> 03:09 PM) Just got his 5th hit of the game (5 for 5) and hit a 3 run bomb Man this guy is awesome. Currently, he is a triple crown winner candidate (only 4 players from the NL have ever won it). What would I give to have him on the Pale Hose? Why did the Marlins let him go? Stupid move by the Marlins. Instead of paying Delgado, they could have kept him instead. They got Paul LoDuca and Mota at the end of it right?

QUOTE(fathom @ Jun 2, 2005 -> 03:37 PM) Fossum is now a starter for Tampa, and they're likely going to keep him. No chance the Pirates give up Gonzalez, he's a stud. Eischen is out for a long time with a broken throwing arm, I believe. A more likely type of guy we would get is T. Miller on Tampa or Cerda on KC. Honestly, lefty reliever isn't a concern right now. Marte is still a solid option, and even Cotts looks sharper now than he has in a long time. We need a reliable righty reliever to go with Cliff and Hermanson (neither guy who I have much confidence in for continuing to have a lot of success this year). Well what are some options we can look for there possibly?

QUOTE(nitetrain8601 @ Jun 2, 2005 -> 03:35 PM) I would like Mike Gonzalez, but I don't think he'll be available. Billy Wagner will forever get my vote. He hasn't been performing like a house on fire in the last few weeks either.

QUOTE(Dam8610 @ Jun 2, 2005 -> 03:23 PM) Plenty, especially after a close ballgame, and especially when that simple question basically criticizes him. You'll see this across sports, not just in baseball. Thank you. It's like Ozzie is the only person in history to do this or something.

QUOTE(Flash Tizzle @ Jun 2, 2005 -> 03:30 PM) Aside from McCarthy, whom definetly needs additional velocity on his pitches (or a quality changeup), I'm not confident in any pitching/positional prospect aside from Tracey/Jenks/Andersen. It's disheartening watching Twins plug hole after hole, year after year, when valuable pieces leave. They may be the exception, but we're the team competing with them; so we damn well better step it up and start producing talent. I don't understand how they operate, the Twins, in their drafts. Is their just a pitcher available throwing 95 mph which EVERY team overlooks, yet the Twins seemingly know his potential. And their positional players-- how successful have they been these last few years? Watch when Brian Andersen joins the club in September. He'll probably start on a 1-25 slump, yet he's likely our top rated outfielder. Meanwhile, a Twins jobber will be up in September batting .500 over 10 games. The Twins had what 3 first round picks at last year's draft? Mainly when their big name players get too expensive, they get the 2 extra picks, and rebuild. And I'd put Gio as our best pitching prospect behind B-Mac easily.

Now's a good time to bump this thread.

QUOTE(fathom @ Jun 2, 2005 -> 03:24 PM) We have 8 losses so far from our bullpen. That's almost half of our losses. And the Cubs had what 14 right? How many total wins do the bullpen have so far?

QUOTE(quickman @ Jun 2, 2005 -> 03:19 PM) I could care less about the cost. I don't beleive highly in our minor league system, I do not watch a game today to think about two years from now. I watch to win this year. Thats all. next year will come . By the way our minor league system sucks. 1 out of twenty will make it. thats it. Trade the others if it means the playoffs. Sorry if you disagree. they are ALL unproven. This is why KW trades them. He knows they won;t make it it big. Ok let's go through our minor league stocks here. Brandon McCarthy - Already made it with the big club. Brian Anderson - .295/.365/.503 at Charlotte Ryan Sweeney - .303/.383/.379 at B-Ham Gio Gonzalez - 4-2, 1.77 ERA, 71 K's, 18 BB's at Kanny (very close to W-S) Sean Tracey - 6-1, 2.95 ERA, 42 K's, 29 BB's at B-Ham Ray Liotta - 4-0, 2.45 ERA, 54 K's, 14 BB's at Kanny Chris Young - .259/.344/.508 at B-Ham Jerry Owens - .297/.354/.357 at B-Ham I think more than 1 out of 20 are going to make it somehow. To say the minor leagues aren't important is ignorant. How do you think the Minnesota Twins have gone about plugging their holes over the past few seasons?

QUOTE(fathom @ Jun 2, 2005 -> 02:54 PM) If I was Ozzie, I'd start to respect people more than he has. How can he expect respect from the media when he acts like a complete asshole to them? If you were Brad Palmer, why would you ever treat Ozzie with respect after he acted the way he did? Do you go out of your way as a manager to get respect from the media? There's a lot of sports players and managers, who do things that the media don't agree with, doesn't mean they're any worse at doing their job than someone who does.

QUOTE(fathom @ Jun 2, 2005 -> 03:17 PM) Swinging for the fence too much at home. With the ball not carrying nearly as well so far this year, he's been hitting a lot of warning track balls. He has also gotten away from driving the ball to right center like he did last year. Basically the same message as with most of our hitters. I think if anyone's to been to blame for our losses this season so far, I'd put Greg Walker ahead of Ozzie, but they've both been at fault at times this year.

QUOTE(fathom @ Jun 2, 2005 -> 03:16 PM) Bullpen ERAs around baseball this year are down (except for some closers). A problem for the Sox is that the Indians and Twins bullpen is much better than ours. That will cost us a lot of wins over the course of the season. We've blown a lot of games in which we were leading going to our bullpen. Entirely way too many so far this season, no matter how good our record is. Can someone get a record of the games we have lead, before it's gone to the pen. I know it's been bad, but it hasn't been as monumental as say Cleveland's bullpen last season. Would you say last year's pen for us was better or worse than this seasons?

QUOTE(quickman @ Jun 2, 2005 -> 03:15 PM) I am certain there are plenty of pitchers who can produce better results than 6 era's on teams that will not make it. KW needs to find them, thats his job. And you know what, I think he will. you watch we will get another reliever. But is the cost going to be greater than what we would actually get. I'd hate to see a panic move, from KW to get a lefty reliever, by giving up someone like Sean Tracey.

QUOTE(fathom @ Jun 2, 2005 -> 03:14 PM) I don't have a problem with Uribe. With him, you have to take the good with the bad. Ozzie needs to realize that when Uribe is going good, he needs to be up higher in the order. However, when he's slumping, it's ok to give him a rest for a few days. His stats are completely diff from last season basically. Last year, great at home, terrible away. This season, terrible at home, great away. Something to consider.

QUOTE(quickman @ Jun 2, 2005 -> 03:09 PM) so if we are a real team, get rid of the one syou don't need and get new ones. Prove to me you are going for it. But who is out there, (in-house and on other teams), that we can just magically go, here you go, join our bullpen? (besides Baj)

QUOTE(fathom @ Jun 2, 2005 -> 03:08 PM) We have way too many relievers that Ozzie doesn't have confidence in right now. Meanwhile, every Twins reliever has an ERA of about 0.25 it seems. And every other team in the MLB would love to have a great young bullpen like there's believe me. Matt Guerrier and Terry Mulholland (would they even have made our pen at the start of the year?), both have ERA's of above 3.

For those who believe we would have a better record if Ozzie wasn't our manager, what a load of BS. Look at our record in 1 run games. Look at the players he forced KW to bring in. Now yes Perez should not have been playing at 1st for Konerkp. But a lot of ppl hav been b****ing lately, "Give Konerko a rest, he can't hit for s***". Alex you say there aren't a lot of SS's who hit worse than Juan Uribe. Let me start a list; Orlando Cabrera Juan Castro Cristian Guzman Royce Clayton Adam Everett Rafael Furcal Marco Scutaro Jack Wilson Now a lot of people are also complaining, why wasn't Marte brought in instead of Walker? Do you think it would have been a good move after last night? Everyone is saying, he isn't pitching like the Marte of old, and is getting hit hard. What's to say that wouldn't of happened again, and his confidence would be even more shot? Cliff Politte just isn't used enough. Period. Of course if Walker didn't pitch tonight, more questions would start getting asked. What's the point in having a lefty reliever, if you are not going to use him. At least now, he's off the team, which is what a lot of people wanted in the 1st place. And Jabroni, I ask you this. Do you still think Kevin Walker has the POTENTIAL to be a better pitcher than Neal Cotts? Hindsight is a wonderful thing, isn't it.

Ozzie could win the Nobel Peace Prize and he'd still get flamed by some on here for every little thing he does. If you were Ozzie, would you have accepted Brantley's apology?

QUOTE(greasywheels121 @ Jun 2, 2005 -> 02:24 PM) "Manure." You get the ma, and you got the nure.

QUOTE(fathom @ Jun 2, 2005 -> 11:44 AM) I want a bullpen that does well in both. You lose as many games in the 6th or 7th with relievers as you do in the 8th or 9th. Why Ozzie wanted to use our worst reliever in the 7th in a one run game against the top of the order simply shocks me. Well sometimes you just can't have both. At least if you choke in the 6th or 7th, you have time for a comeback. Cotts, Marte and Politte were all used yesterday, so that pretty much left Hermy (never was going to come in the 7th), Vizcaino or Walker.

QUOTE(fathom @ Jun 2, 2005 -> 11:40 AM) Dempster's ERA as a closer has been very good. Also, last time I checked, Shingo and Vizcaino didn't have stellar ERAs. You left out Ohman, Bartosh, and Wellemeyer, all guys with ERAs under 3. Wellemeyer is the best long man in the city of Chicago (that doesn't sound good). I'm the biggest Cubs hater there is....but I would take their full pen over ours right now. Would you rather have a pen that does good in long relief or one that does well in KEY late game (8th, 9th inning) situations?

QUOTE(Hideaway Lights @ Jun 2, 2005 -> 11:39 AM) I should be extremely familiar with whether Ozuna can or can't play third? Sorry, I don't know a whole hell of a lot about this guy. There's a reason Ozuna was in AAA for the what 3 to 4 past seasons. Yes he's an excellent utility sparkplug guy, but that's it. An everyday player? No way.

QUOTE(qwerty @ Jun 2, 2005 -> 11:38 AM) This thread was not an overration and most of the things that have been said are not either. You really cannot manage any worse in one straight week than this fool has. I guess sooner or later its bound to catch up with him and tonight looks to be the night. Still to say you'd pick Baker over him is ludicrous. We wouldn't have any starting pitching.